Browse Forums Landscape & Garden Design Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 21Jan 12, 2011 5:02 pm Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ by John Wrigley and Murray Fagg, Australian Native Plants authors. This looks like a beautiful book. http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.a ... tid=569723 www.themaxbuild.blogspot.com forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20717&start=300 www.leahspaperpassion.blogspot.com Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 22Jan 13, 2011 6:39 pm Thanks themax - will look out for it in the library Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 23Jan 13, 2011 11:33 pm KerryF themax - the lack of pepperminty smell struck me as a bit strange too! There is a nice smell in the air when it's been raining and the sun comes out, but I couldn't pinpoint where that was coming from, nor would I say it was particularly minty, more eucalyptus / tea treey (we do have a melaleuca laterita, but I don't think it's that I smell) and it could be any one of a number of gums on our property or a neighbours. Wet Belgrave Involves several scents in the air. Eucalyptus being the dominant then you have Sassafras and Christmas Mintbush. Source page http://www.apstas.com/rainforest2.htm Rehosted to save bandwidth. Chistmas MInt Bush (Edit: Prostanthera sp. ) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Is actually a tree up to 8 meters in the right conditions. Its highly perfumed flowers and leaves are a treat in summer. Scrunch up some leaves and take a wiff and you will see what I mean. This is flowering now in abundance so look out of a small under story tree with heavy clusters on these amazingly beautiful and delicate flowers. I beleive you will find the best of them just in on the trail that leads to the bridge in Sherbrook forest. It starts about 600 meters down from the roundabout at Kalista - about halfway anyway. In that gully there should be plenty. If you go up there at near dusk in bare feet you can sneak up on the local wallabies. They are too shy to get close to but others elsewhere in vic will tolerate you standing 3 meters away. Just pretend to be disinterested and also pretend to eat grass and stuff, move slowly, respectfully and they will just go back to what they were doing. And Monimiaceae sp. Southern Sassafras Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Again a smallish tree to 8 meters, heavily scented in summer after rain. You will also catch wafts of clematis drifting through around spring time on a warm day. KerryF Redman - thank you so much for the book info!! I knew I must have gotten the name wrong, but he agreed with me when I repeated back 'Lee'. Must be my Scottish accent No problem. Just got back from Glenelg River. Lots of trees just like yours there. Will keep on it so I can prove myself wrong again.. Another reference online.. http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/?base=3211 http://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/gnp3/prostan ... nthos.html Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 24Jan 14, 2011 9:19 am Wow! Thank you so much for that post and those pics. Will definitely look out for those and am going to try and add them to the garden. IF I don't already have them somewhere! Sure I would have noticed those flowers, if it would only stop raining and I could go out and look without the fear of being washed down the driveway in the raging torrent! As for the trail, are you referring to one of the picnic grounds on the Belgrave/Monbulk Rd? Or another one.... I know there's a trail opposite(ish) Grants? Or is there a ** one up the Sherbrooke Rd that I hadn't noticed yet? Not that there would be anywhere to park if there was! We've only ever used the main entry into Sherbrooke (where the BBQs are) because it's tough getting a toddler and baby out of the car safely otherwise. Would love it if you could keep working on it, as I really want to be able to say "Yes, that's our XXX and it's around XXXX years old. Beautiful isn't it?", the next time someone says "Wow, what a cool tree!" (ooh, just spotted the fungus page, that's pretty cool) Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 25Jan 14, 2011 12:25 pm KerryF Wow! Thank you so much for that post and those pics. Will definitely look out for those and am going to try and add them to the garden. IF I don't already have them somewhere! Sure I would have noticed those flowers, if it would only stop raining and I could go out and look without the fear of being washed down the driveway in the raging torrent! As for the trail, are you referring to one of the picnic grounds on the Belgrave/Monbulk Rd? Or another one.... I know there's a trail opposite(ish) Grants? Or is there a ** one up the Sherbrooke Rd that I hadn't noticed yet? Not that there would be anywhere to park if there was! We've only ever used the main entry into Sherbrooke (where the BBQs are) because it's tough getting a toddler and baby out of the car safely otherwise. Would love it if you could keep working on it, as I really want to be able to say "Yes, that's our XXX and it's around XXXX years old. Beautiful isn't it?", the next time someone says "Wow, what a cool tree!" (ooh, just spotted the fungus page, that's pretty cool) RE: Trail. If you walk past the pub (You can try anyway..) through the car par and keep following the trail along the creek, about halfway up the gully it branches off to the left. It crosses Monbulk Creek? And there is an old uprooted tree to the right sticking out of the ground. The trail is not particularly visible in the creek gully but its there. From there it climbs rapidly up the gully with lots of stairs. Its the best part of that gully about halfway along. Eventually it comes out at the bridge where all the rubber necks go. Basically it follows the creek there on the NE side. The Wallabies are near the flat part at the top. There is also another that hangs around the rail bridge on Puff. Its a nice walk in when its dry but now I would say its somewhat slippery. RE: Fungus. The Orange ball fungi on the base and open wounds of Beech trees is edible. Apparently the Locals used them for food. The sky walk at Forrest in the Otways has an entire gully of them. http://museumvictoria.museum/forest/plants/orange.html The relationship is symbiotic, not harmful and possibly helps the tree along I would think. The deciduous Nothofagus gunnii in Tasmania won't grow without its fungi which is a shame because these smallish trees (more like shrubs) are stunning in Autumn producing yellow gold leaves as they prepare for winter. So Australia does have a deciduous wintering tree that came long before all the ones we have now. * Shrubs in a climate that would be a severe challenge to man or at least me. I have some cutting of the Prostanthera sp. (Christmas Mint Bush) I am trying to grow. Will see how it goes. It may not work during flowering but I had to pick them now to select the ones with the best scent and most prolific flowering. So far so good, only 1 has died from shock and the others are still holding green which is good. They bruise easily and rapidly show stress when damaged. I can only try as they smell so good. Multicrop Plant starter - do your thing!!! Drive around, they grow rapidly on road verges and usually hang over the road to get the light. Possible candidate http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-b ... aciiformis Code: Leaves: Intermediate leaves disjunct early, elliptic, straight, crenate, dull grey green, sessile, 5 cm long, 1.5 mm wide. Adult leaves disjunct, lanceolate, not falcate, acute or obtuse, basally tapered, dull, green to grey-green, thick, concolorous, 5–12 cm long, 1–1.5 mm wide; Petioles narrowly flattened or channelled, Petioles 6–18 mm long. Lateral veins prominent, acute or obtuse, moderately spaced. Inflorescences: Conflorescence simple, axillary; Umbellasters 7-flowered, regular. Peduncles terete, 2–8 mm long. Pedicels terete, 1–3 mm long. http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/HerbL ... 600597.jpg And Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ http://www.publish.csiro.au/samples/euc ... ACACII.htm Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 26Jan 18, 2011 4:23 pm Will look at the tree info once I get a spare minute - thanks Redman Just wanted to let you know that it's changed colour! After the three days of heavy rain, all the trees look like they've been washed. It is now most definitely a very light fawny brown to grey colour and is only the redder brown where the kenins have leaked (where 3 branches were removed a few years back). Also, have you ever been to Kuranga? I went today and bought a Christmas Mint Bush (the 'Kallista' one) to plant. I would have bought more, but had limited car space with two children, a huge pram and a bale of straw They told me it strikes fairly well, but maybe you're right and when it's flowering is not best? Although, that does mean it's growing season...? I don't know enough about gardening as yet - just a young(ish) padawan! Anyway, if you're interested, Kuranga have their price lists in a downloadable word file on their website, so you can see if they have any mint bush cultivars that you might be interested in. Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 27Jan 19, 2011 7:28 pm Hi again Redman Finally got a chance to look at those links and it's not that one either The fruit on mine is more barrell shaped and the valves are within the fruit, not on the rim. Plus, those buds look like they have a seal along the cap, whilst there is none on ours. I took some pics after the rain and used the Serif Panorama Plus software (starter edition is free to download!) to make this: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Based on the height of the wash house below it, which is roughly 2m, I estimated the tree to be around the 12-15m mark. Do you think that's reasonable? Also, according to the vegetation list for here, the upper storey trees that would normally have grown here are: Acacia melanoxylon (Blackwood) Eucalyptus baxteri (Brown Stringybark) Eucalyptus cypellocarpa (Mountain Grey Gum) Eucalyptus dives (Broad-leaf Peppermint) Eucalyptus obliqua (Messmate) Eucalyptus ovata var. ovata (Swamp Gum) Eucalyptus radiata ssp. radiata (Narrow-leaf Peppermint) So, I'm going to use the list to try and narrow down my search area. Then, I might just use the plant identification service if I'm still stuck!! (PS - the tree you can see to the left, above the roof of the house, that's being dwarfed is a Blackwood) Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 28Jan 19, 2011 8:01 pm Okay, I'm going with your first option that it's the E. obliqua - possibly a hybrid, but this is the only tree where everything fits and I'm getting fed up with this one for now. You won't believe how much time it's taken up. Well, you might! http://www.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Residents/Yarra_Ranges_Plant_Directory/Yarra_Ranges_Local_Plant_Directory/Upper_Storey/Trees_5m_/Eucalyptus_obliqua http://www.eukalypt.org/euc_tertiary_pages/E.obliqua/eobliqua.htm Although, this means he's just a baby when it looks so big! How old do you think it could be? Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 29Jan 20, 2011 3:06 am Its easily 20 meters. Its a beautiful grand tree at least 70 years old. It still has another 330 + years left in it. Acacia melanoxylon (Blackwood) No Eucalyptus baxteri (Brown Stringybark) Fruit is different Eucalyptus cypellocarpa (Mountain Grey Gum) Distinct Bark Eucalyptus dives (Broad-leaf Peppermint)Diffrent fruits and the Macedon range is endemic Eucalyptus obliqua (Messmate) Has the same fruits and leaves but the bark belongs on a peppermint Obliqua bark is distinctly grey and peels in narrow sections to a criss cross pattern like a stretching balloon wrapped in Hessian. Peppermints form a denser brown bark that peels in long flat tears. You can also peel of big sheets of it. Eucalyptus ovata var. ovata (Swamp Gum)Swamp Gum, You can see this along the Yarra at Fairfield particularly. medium sized tree with white upper crown Eucalyptus radiata ssp. radiata (Narrow-leaf Peppermint) Right height Wrong growth habit.A hybrid of this would be similar. The one thing I am finding is Peppermints have a smooth rounded fruit. The fruit on your tree is almost a perfect match for Obliqua and the leaves are very similar but narrower. Need this... http://www.lucidcentral.com/Software/Lu ... Offer.aspx Its a data base for Eucalyptus developed by the CSIRO. http://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/euc ... cies.htm#O Via http://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/index.html Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 30Jan 20, 2011 8:27 am It's the bark that keeps stumping me as I think I've found a match with leaves/flowers/fruit, then the bark goes and spoils it. It is grey at parts (mostly the branches) but it's more a very pale browny-fawn colour on the trunk, then darker where it's stained. It peels in short narrow pieces, but very rarely drops any bark of it's own accord. Only on really windy days. You're balloon analogy = too much time on your hands I am sure it's a hybrid of the obliqua now, but I'm now annoyed that I can't find out what with! Sorry, did you mean I needed to get the software and the EUCLID CD? It costs $140 and I haven't got that spare right now, but will certainly be purchasing when I do Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 31Jan 20, 2011 11:04 am KerryF Sorry, did you mean I needed to get the software and the EUCLID CD? It costs $140 and I haven't got that spare right now, but will certainly be purchasing when I do Actually I was thinking of getting it. Trouble is it runs only on Windows and I don't use it. Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 32Jan 20, 2011 11:50 am Ah. I have Windows 7 because it came with the pc. Are you running Linux? If I get it, I will do some look ups for you Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 33Jan 22, 2011 12:27 am There isn't just Eucs, there are the Corymbias (Red flowering gum is one) and the Angophoras. A bit of talent has been looking into this one. @SavingOurTrees on Twitter has produced this http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s1588412.htm It is definitely not a peppermint which is Agonis. I can see why some may think so though Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 34Jan 27, 2011 12:31 pm Thanks for the link Fu Still stumped with ours, but have now identified that the smaller gums of my neighbours that overhang us on the opposite are E. obliqua. They have everything the same as ours, except that their leaves are broader. Both the neighbours gum and ours have lots of creamy yellow white flowers right now, which with the slightest breeze are dropping petals and presumably pollen all over the garden. My daughter says it's like snow Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 35Jan 28, 2011 2:36 am KerryF Ah. I have Windows 7 because it came with the pc. Are you running Linux? If I get it, I will do some look ups for you I got an extra 2 days of work so I purchased Euclid. Big spend but cheaper than getting a book to stay up to date. I use Ubuntu so I will find a way to run it. WINE or virtual machine will do it. KerryF You're balloon analogy = too much time on your hands maybe.. Take a balloon and inflate it but not fully, now cover it with black texta, then fully inflate it.. Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 36Feb 01, 2011 1:55 pm Wow! That's going to be a great buy. Now, hurry up and get it running so you can ID my trees Er, texta's are crayons right? Do they even write on rubber? :S Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 37Feb 16, 2011 2:11 pm Sorry for the bump - it's definitely a E. Obliqua, otherwise known as a Messmate Stringybark. Re: Name that Gum - anyone any good at this? 38Feb 16, 2011 10:38 pm If it fits this... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ It works in Virtual box fine, just not WINE as it lacks active X. Now that I have Windows running as an app, I might start playing a game... Preview http://i.imgur.com/HIe9A.jpg (giggles) 9 24814 Thank you. Do I use timber floorboards for stairs or do people use timber treads? Or is both the same? 6 7299 Hi, I have had them in the past and the pros are: Versatile, i.e many different colours and styles to choose… 1 6885 |