Browse Forums Landscape & Garden Design Re: turf costs 21Apr 20, 2009 5:54 pm ????????? Not sure about that one? I used to it for a job and that was what we did and was often done by every other landscaper and turf mob. If you don't, the surface doesn't look too flash. Using the compactor the sections all bed in for want of a better term and the edges get pushed in. Any uneven sections are then levelled and you get a much tidier firmer finish to the job. There is nothing about a plate compactor that will harm the turf. That is certainty. Not saying a roller is bad, it is great if you don't have a compactor. Re: turf costs 26Apr 20, 2009 7:54 pm Have a squiz here http://www.kennards.com.au/index.php?fu ... tion&lvl=1 Don't go crazy with compaction, just get it firm. Re: turf costs 27Apr 20, 2009 8:06 pm Fu Manchu Have a squiz here http://www.kennards.com.au/index.php?fu ... tion&lvl=1 Don't go crazy with compaction, just get it firm. Now that's much better Fu ! Great ! Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: turf costs 28Sep 17, 2009 9:32 am Thanks for all the grass tips. Just a question about grass in terms of allergies. Our dog seems to have an allergy to something in our backyard (although that backyard at the moment is part bushland, part rainforest and is 25 acres lol). I think its the grass but cant confirm. In our new place Id like to try and get a low allergy type of grass. These forms of buffalo you mention.. are they low allergy also ? Ive had a couple of quotes so far and the best I got for anything decent was around the $9m2 mark - Im on the Sunshine Coast and there are quite a few turf farms around so I guess I just need to keep calling! Anyone have any suggestions for cheap turf on the coast? or further north ? Thanks in advance Re: turf costs 29Sep 18, 2009 8:07 pm it is mainly grass pollen that causes most allergies. Some turfs are in flower at the moment, such as zoysia and no matter the turf, it will at some point go into flower. Concrete maybe the only absolute allergy free turf available. Overall the soft leaf turfs like Empire Zoysia and the soft leaf buffalos are the go. Kikuyu and St Augustine (old school buffalo) will be irritating to skin all year round. Re: turf costs 31Oct 12, 2009 9:20 pm St. Augustine is not 'old school buffalo', it's what the yanks call our buffalo. eg; ST 85,91,126 etc stand for St Augustine Type 85.91,126 Also , in Nth Qld, what they call 'buffalo' is actually broad leaf carpet grass from Malaysia Re: turf costs 32Oct 14, 2009 8:32 pm Your loving this aren't you I see some differences between east and west coast terms The velvet is the buffalo I should have mentioned. This is sold by Carrabooda here in WA It is so good having someone here to help out with rock solid turf experience. It can get pretty busy Hey grasshopper, In regard to the St 85 etc. Are you saying this is the name referring to a name only and the ST indicating "St"Augustine? I have always been informed and taught that this refers to "S"hade "T"olerant and the number indicates the percentage of shade. This has been from turf growers and from experienced turf "experts". Now if this is right, how can something be tolerant of 126% shade We have always referred to St Augustine as being the old school name for the old fashioned buffalo and yeah because of what the seppos call it. More as a means of defining it from the newer named hybrid varieties I guess Going back years ago in Perth (ie the 60's and 70's) nearly every house seemed to have a buffalo lawn. Then the couches arrived in mass and took over till now really, with a resurgence in the "better" buffalo hybrids and Empire Zoysia. Re: turf costs 33Oct 17, 2009 9:54 pm I can see you're busy. Just like the facts going out to the public, not cow manure like 'ST= shade tolerance'. Maybe some 'experts' could explain 126% shade tolerance as you pointed out. By the way, on the east coast kikuyu was thrown into the equation after the old buffalos along with couch in the 60's and 70's, but we had Queensland Blue Couch (which isn't a couch) as well. The ST buffalos were bred by an American - Hugh Whiting who spent 6mths in WA and the rest of the year in California (I've grown and disregarded most of them, at a great expense). His breeding program is quite extensive and he codes them thus; St Augustine Type = ST Couch Type = CT A bit of Trivia, his CT2 couch patent was bought internationally (except in Australia because of licencing issues) by Greg Norman and called GN1, growers of CT2 paid a royalty to Hugh, if they wanted to call it GN1 they also pay Greg. The CT2 patent ran out last May. The STs & CTs are patent protected compared with most Aussie grasses being PBR protected. None of the new Buffalos are Hybids, they a purly spontanious mutations or natural selections. The STs were bred but unfortuently one of the parents has a fungus resistance problem. In DNA research on buffalos by Prof. Peter Martin of Sydney Uni it showed that Ozbreeds claims of breeding Sapphire from SW by the method stated in their PBR had a 1 in 2billion chance of being true. Kings pride is closer to SW and Matilda is closer to Sapphire. The STs are from a different family as is velvet. Now the Zoysias, ZT 11, 93 etc. Hugh had them 15 odd years ago in WA, sold licences around Oz. They perfomed well for awhile like the STs, then fell over. Ozbreed licenses to Oz growers Empire & Empress (all but gone, doesn't work here) under license from Sod Solution in the USA with a reciprial agreement for his plants in the USA. Most of the data is US based. On Ozbreeds web, there is a fine line between Palmetto/Sapphire & Empire marketing as he has to please all the growers that grow one but not necessarily all of them. That's the problem for the public, when a grower has several varieties from the one stable, all being promoted with similar attributes to give honest advice. So the best one on the day is the one most in stock (usually the least performing sales wise). I've seen a various threads, great prices for certain grasses from certain suppliers. The reason for this is usually they're trying to dump stock, clean the paddock up so to change varieties. Yeah..........you're right, I'm having fun and a beer, cheers!! Re: turf costs 34Oct 17, 2009 11:10 pm I love info like that So many plants folks buy are not always as may seem. I know the xanadu philodendron is pbr'd but there is arguable dna testing that has been done between it and millenium xanadu. They appear to be much the same thing. apparently the original xanadu is very different looking from what is now today sold as a xandu philodendron. The other is one of the really dark aggies. purple cloud and black panther apparently don't have much between them and the testing "may" have been *** to get it as a pbr. Having said that, I guess they wouldn't have pbr'd them if they were *** I am yet to tell the difference between an expensive black pantha aggie and purple cloud aggie. CT2, I forgotten all about that one That was pretty common when I started out in landscaping and horticulture. It was always called that but it should have been called GN1? Oh well I guess they avoided paying Greg Norman Re: turf costs 35Oct 18, 2009 8:09 pm Fu, CT2 is a good grass except in WA, GN1 means nothing here, it's only relevant in US golf courses Re: turf costs 36Oct 21, 2009 9:09 pm Fu, the PBR system is ***. From the act; 43 Registrable plant varieties (1) For the purposes of this Act, a plant variety in which an application for PBR is made is registrable if: (a) the variety has a breeder; and (b) the variety is distinct; and (c) the variety is uniform; and (d) the variety is stable; and (e) the variety has not been exploited or has been only recently exploited. (2) For the purposes of this section, a plant variety is distinct if it is clearly distinguishable from any other variety whose existence is a matter of common knowledge. The key issue is 43 (1) (b) and 43 (2). With alot of the new varieties of turf, weather they be couch, ki or buffalo, this criterior isn't met. The only differences come down to- a small % change in average internodal length or a slight difference in colour or small % difference in average leaf width etc. which doesn't constitute 'distinct'. But the Federal PBR office won't conceed these shortcomings, otherwise they'd have to overturn alot of their previous approvals. I've been to Canberra, spoke to ministers, had data and proof but the system won't change Re: turf costs 37Oct 21, 2009 9:39 pm I know of a few nurseries who are a bit peeved with it as well. They can, when it comes to plants, get around it "sometimes". A bit trickier with turf I'd imagine. I have a feeling that the "velvet" buffalo I mentioned is ridiculously similar to another very well known turf variety Re: turf costs 38Oct 22, 2009 5:26 am Go to; http://pbr.ipaustralia.plantbreeders.gov.au/ there's not alot of distinctiveness between some. cheers Re: turf costs 39Jan 27, 2010 5:00 pm PBR does have a lot of checks and balances, and they do make sure the plants are different. For example Sir Walter complained about Sapphire being granted PBR. The PBR office upheld Sapphires PBR after much investigation and new tests. PBR is well checked in Australia. Also if anyone tries to germinate Sir Walter from seed seeds will germinate. Early on Sir Walter claimed Sapphire was too similar, which it was proven to be different. Now they claim Sir Walter seed is too hard to germinate. Rubbish. It is easy to germinate in controlled nursery conditions, but not in an open grass area. Try it in a hot house for yourselves and you will find what I say is true. Re: turf costs 40Feb 03, 2010 11:00 pm So Sapphire seed is easy to germinate too? Is it available, or like SW only in turf? They using concrete or timber sleepers? Timber or steel uprights? Any drainage behind sleeper? 3 5876 I am not sure whether Perth has its own way of doing things in regards to this. Most of Perth has class A (sandy soil), except for some areas near rivers or hills. 2 13098 Looking to tile the facade pillars rather than rendering. Builder is quoting 2500$ laying cost for upto 10msq. The 2 pillars come to be 16msq. So laying costs are 5000$… 0 7546 |