Landscape & Garden Design
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems21
Jun 24, 2009 12:37 pm
My wife actually came up with a brainwave this morning! We have just re-done our backyard and I have raised the garden beds about 0.5m via a brick retaining wall. They are completely empty at the moment and full of organic goodness just waiting for me to plonk something in there.
The wife suggested we dig up our Little Gems from the front garden and transplant them in the back. Not a bad idea I though!
Although the back does face west, it does get some shelter as they up against a north west facing wall so the area does get some shade. The spce that needs to be filled at the back is pretty identical the space the Magnolia's currently occupy in the front yard.
The Little Gems are about 2-2.5m tall - does they cope well being transplanted?
I was then thinking of putting in some Murrayas at the front of the house - maybe they would cope a bit better with the heat and the front fence?
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems22
Jun 24, 2009 4:09 pm
Get into if you have to. Make that spade nice and sharp so it slices through the roots and makes the job easy.
Great to hear you have that soil all rich and organic
Trim some of the foliage so there is less the plant has to look after once you have dug it up. Just a light prune though, as in take 1/2 a metre or less off it.
Mark the trunk before you lift it out with some chalk or similar. Then when you plonk it into it's new home have that mark facing the same direction. It helps minimise transplant shock. Get some droughtshield (used to be called stress guard) by yates and spray the foliage. plenty of seasol once the transplant is done as well every one to two weeks. It should go fine. expect a shedding of leaves but it will recover and shoot new ones
The Murraya will be fantastic. However it's tollerance to the heat will be far less than the Magnolia. The magnolia has thick leathery leaves well suited to dealing with heat and wind.
The Murraya has thinner leaves that are soft so get that soil really organically rich before they go in so the soil can hold excellent moisture. Lots of organic material means that the clay soils will not be such an issue. Once the Murraya gets going though it will cope better in summer. Perhaps a nice grevillea hedge will be an option?
Mulch heavily to 75-100mm of green tree mulch. This will even out temperatures and minimise stress in summer. It will also continue to feed the soil as if it were a slow release fertiliser I mulch even heavier where ever possible, up to 150mm thick sometimes and even more in open areas.
(click the mulch icon on the side
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Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems23
Jun 24, 2009 5:51 pm
Thanks a lot Fu...appreciate the advice. So it's OK to do now?
I don't have to worry about the leaves dropping. Each tree has about half a dozen leaves each...last summer really knocked them around. Hopefully out the back will be a better spot for them.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems24
Jun 24, 2009 6:16 pm
Get into if you have to. Make that spade nice and sharp so it slices through the roots and makes the job easy.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems25
Jun 29, 2009 10:00 am
One last question. When I dig the holes for the new spots for the Magnolia's, should I wack anything into the holes before the tree goes in? ie those water crystals or anything like that?
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems26
Jun 29, 2009 9:14 pm
don't use those bloody water crystals
* Has cup of tea, calms down, deep breaths, - all is good ...
They are effective in pots with the potting mix and that is where it ends. many trials show that in the long term plants planted with water crystals in soil develop poor root structures and become weak.
Instead, grab a bag or two of certified organic soil. Mix that through an area most of the depth but importantly double to quadruple the width of the root ball going in. Why so wide? Because the trees roots that absorb the water and nutrients will go wider rather than deeper in time. Dig it through with a mattock. mix it all well. Then make the smaller hole in that prepared area for the tree to go in. try get it to go in facing the same direction. Spray the leaves with some yates "drought shield" and use seasol on it every weekend for a few months. You are probably going to need two stakes either side of it about a metre apart and tie it so it can move a little but not blow over. Then the Magnolia gets a good strong trunk in time
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems27
Jun 30, 2009 9:23 am
Thanks for that. I went up to Bunnings yesterday and they told me the same thing! The garden beds they are going into are full of new soil from Fultons...the five blend mix which is full of organic stuff. Nice and fresh.
So I have dug them up and planted them in nice big holes. All facing the same way they were out the front and at the soil line so, so far so good. The only thing I'm worried about is the size of the root balls I managed to remove. Tried to get as much as I could but the confined natue out the front made it very difficult.
There's virtually no foliage on the trees due to the horrendous summer we had so at least I don't need to worry about that!
Anyway, I'll see how they go. I'll post some pics although they don't look that great without any leaves!
Thanks for all your help.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems28
Nov 10, 2010 5:40 pm
Just revisiting this old thread of mine. 3 of the Magnolias I transplanted turned up their toes I ended up buying 3 nice new ones off eBay and they're really nice. MUCH cheaper than retail. These 3 are going nicely now.
Of the 4 that survived, they have been coming back OK. From having zero (and I mean zero foliage) they are thickening up and are almost 2 metres tall. Still a fair way from being really healthy looking though.
I have just noticed a few of the leaves have black spotted bits on them, as below. Is this something I should be worried about? It's been very wet here in Melbourne - could they have been waterlooged? Any thoughts appreciated.
I must try that molasses by the way. Where do you buy cheap molasses? Can't say I've seen it anywhere, not that I've been looking.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems29
Nov 10, 2010 11:13 pm
Yeah the poor buggers are having a hard time
To wet But to me, If they were in my garden, I wouldn't even be concerned. They are just having a whinge about the wet, and you know what, when it gets hot, they are going sook about that too
That's some pretty exposed soil you have there in the shot. I'd be getting some cert organic compost down around them and away from the stem and really start to load up some straw or tree lopper mulch to around 100mm deep. Hose it in and it will settle and not blow around at all
I would also say that beware buying plants on Ebay. There are things that would blow your mind about what goes into growing plants to certain standards to maintain good health and quality of the plant you are buying. Most nurseries would be a part of the Nursery Industry Association and they must meet some pretty high standards. There are unscrupulous growers and some folks that just reckon they can grow something make some coin easy that thwart the efforts of the professional and serious growers. Fruit trees are just one example of a train wreck when someone buys one and it doesn't fruit or isn't doing what it is supposed to.
How do you know that that Little Gem has been grown from the right tissue stock and is as strong as it is supposed to be?
As for molasses, well that is only one of many things that make your soil healthy, stuff your plants, they matter not. It is the soil you want to worry about and the plants are just sensors as to how well that soil is going Check the molasses thread for where to find it
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems31
Nov 11, 2010 12:50 pm
Sorry to jump onto this thread, but I have a problem with 2 of my Little Gems that I'm not sure what to do with. I have a row of 4 Little Gems in a garden bed that is between a public foot path and my front wall. The trees have been in for just over 2.5 years and were all about 6ft (tall) x 2ft (wide).
I've been overseas for the past 8 weeks and arrived home yesterday to find 2 of the 4 trees have been vandalised.... very very angry. I tried to attach some photos of the damaged trees versus the undamaged trees but I haven't been able to as keep getting the message "the board attachment quota has been reached." Basically, all of the trees started out in very good condition; and now the 2 damaged trees have had 90% of the leaves and branches pulled off them and look like a couple of broken trunks that are only about 2ft high, with only a couple of small lower branches coming off them. There are also a couple of branches that have been broken that are just hanging that I still need to remove. Its a shame I can't attach the photos as they illustrate the damage very well.
I'm not sure the best course of action or if the trees can even be saved; and I was hoping someone may be able to give me some advice as to my options.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems33
Nov 12, 2010 1:33 am
Yeah start a image shack, flikr or photobucket account and you will be able to post photos till the cows come home
I would bet the damaged trees will go nuts with new shoots.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems34
Nov 12, 2010 1:16 pm
Thanks - this should work...
I'm leaning towards just leaving them as is and watching how they recover. You guys may be able to suggest ways I can help them recover. FYI - I'm going into a hot summer.
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems35
Nov 12, 2010 1:33 pm
I'd say they will be just fine. I would also get a heap of mulch on there and please avoid using black mulches of any description. They won't assist plant health in anyway and they won't keep moisture in the ground too well at all. A good thick layer of straw and or a covering of mulch from your local tree lopper. Smaller batches are available from The Greenlife Soil Company. Just make sure it around 100mm thick That will help the soil become a little healthier and that is what needs to be done with sick plants. Lots of seamungus, some seasol and go through and clip them up, what is left of them that is. Clip back to just above the nodes (where the leaves will come out)
Seamungus down first, then the straw and then tree lopper mulch
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems37
Jan 30, 2012 12:53 pm
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems38
Jan 30, 2012 7:57 pm
I'm in Melb.
My little Gem flowers have heaps of little black beetles that seem to be attracted to the stamen. In one flower I found ten?
I pull them out and squish them.
Anyone else have them too?
Re: Magnolia Little Gem Problems39
Mar 12, 2012 11:59 am
Oh boy, I wished we'd persevered with our Little Gem, after reading all the comments above! Ours was mature, at least 10 yrs old, a picture of health until the big drought in Melb a few years ago. It got badly burned, looked awful, but we left it and a year later it had new leaves and looked lovely. Then about a year ago, it started dying back, starting at the top and working down the tree. Couldn't work out why as we've had lots of rain and it's in a well-drained position. All the plants around it were fine. No sign of bugs on the magnolia. It looked dreadful (the biggest tree in our backyard) so we very reluctantly decided to take it out. Imagine my surprise (and dismay!) when new shoots sprouted from around the base of the 3-4" stump. Some leaves are glossy green and others are dead, so not sure what is going on with it. One shoot seems a lot stronger than the others, it is about 2' tall. Is there any hope in trying to encourage it to grow?
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