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We'd like to start on our espalier project this w.e. and wonder what type of material is best for creating a frame for the espaliers. The fence is 14 m long x 3 m high. We are thinking of setting the posts away from the fence so that the plants don't actually lean on the fence itself. How far should we come out from the fence i.e. 30 cm? Planting FM I'm thinking of Feijoias or fruit trees such as peach (DH loves them)... however the rear yard faces 22 deg north/east and the fence will throw shade over the espaliers in winter due to the angle of the sun. In summer the sun moves directly overhead so the rear yard gets full sun for most of the day. We can see this area from the family, dining and kitchen so I'd like to grow something spectacular if poss . Would you recommend mass planting or a variety of plants? Design ideas welcome. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 2Jan 21, 2009 10:17 pm I know you've rung the FuPhone but I've been looking into this over the last couple of days for screening the shed.
Some useful references.... This one takes a while to load (don't smack the computer.... ) http://www.flemings.com.au/documents/espalier.pdf actually that site has other useful stuff.... http://www.flemings.com.au/helpguides.asp and http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s2058240.htm http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/1999/a ... s/espalier http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/b/better- ... /espalier/ http://9am.ten.com.au/espaliering.htm I'm sure the plant whisperer will have good ideas.... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 3Jan 21, 2009 10:25 pm Hold the presses.....!
another one http://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/ ... er%20(KNNN).pdf Edit: link goes odd when you put it in here...just cut and past the link above into your browser and it'll work... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 4Jan 21, 2009 10:30 pm other replies welcome.
Ty TDL . Actually I'm going to double the fun on this thread and ask another question . If we follow Matt's render/stackstone method of building a wall and want to turn it into a water feature, is it easy to waterproof the stackstone, put in a spill tray at the bottom and find or make a lip for the water to spill from at the top? https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=12776 Alternatively anyone know of someone in Adelaide who can make a nice fountain for a reasonable price . BTW this is for the fence adjoining our patio area not the wall of espaliers. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 5Jan 21, 2009 10:32 pm wow, I have a few pics of some great ideas at my mates house around the corner. He is a topiary genius and one of if not Australias leading expert in this.
I have emailed him your question and I hope he says it is OK to post a few pics He even has a topiary table made from an ornamental weeping cherry so when it is in flower it looks like a cafe table with a pink table cloth over it! He also has espaillered Manchurian Pears as a feature down the side. They were his prefered choice. They look amazing right now! Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 6Jan 21, 2009 10:32 pm to_do_list Hold the presses.....! another one http://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/ ... er%20(KNNN).pdf Edit: link goes odd when you put it in here...just cut and past the link above into your browser and it'll work... excellent links ty again! Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 7Jan 21, 2009 10:37 pm DeeElle f we follow Matt's render/stackstone method of building a wall and want to turn it into a water feature, is it easy to waterproof the stackstone, put in a spill tray at the bottom and find or make a lip for the water to spill from at the top? Umm...me again...I looked at this too once... Note the warning on http://www.waterfeaturesonline.com.au/P ... icleId=211 James Hardie, the makers of Blue Board DO NOT recommend the use of HardiTex® Blue Board for use with water features. The moisture will affect the bond between the facia (stone or render) and cause the facia to eventually fall off. Another factor is the weight of stacked stone which weighs approximately 40kg per m². HardiTex® Blue Board is not capable of supporting this weight, especially where moisture is involved. I did come across a company that did something similar...thinking.... Edit....I'll have a squiz at how they did ours...came with the house... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 8Jan 21, 2009 10:37 pm Fu Manchu wow, I have a few pics of some great ideas at my mates house around the corner. He is a topiary genius and one of if not Australias leading expert in this. I have emailed him your question and I hope he says it is OK to post a few pics He even has a topiary table made from an ornamental weeping cherry so when it is in flower it looks like a cafe table with a pink table cloth over it! He also has espaillered Manchurian Pears as a feature down the side. They were his prefered choice. They look amazing right now! omg I'm in heaven. hope he agrees FM. First time I got a post in b4 my hubby ordered the plants or material. With all this information we will hopefully be able to put the espalier trellis up this w.e..... Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 9Jan 21, 2009 10:39 pm to_do_list DeeElle f we follow Matt's render/stackstone method of building a wall and want to turn it into a water feature, is it easy to waterproof the stackstone, put in a spill tray at the bottom and find or make a lip for the water to spill from at the top? Umm...me again...I looked at this too once... Note the warning on http://www.waterfeaturesonline.com.au/P ... icleId=211 James Hardie, the makers of Blue Board DO NOT recommend the use of HardiTex® Blue Board for use with water features. The moisture will affect the bond between the facia (stone or render) and cause the facia to eventually fall off. Another factor is the weight of stacked stone which weighs approximately 40kg per m². HardiTex® Blue Board is not capable of supporting this weight, especially where moisture is involved. I did come across a company that did something similar...thinking.... darn it ... I knew it was too easy. If you think of something let me know. I'm happy to focus on the espaliers for this w.e. . Hubby will be grateful if you can't find something straight away or I'll have him doing both tasks at once TDL that is EXACTLY what I am after. Yours looks fabulous. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 10Jan 21, 2009 10:45 pm DeeElle TDL that is EXACTLY what I am after. Yours looks fabulous. I'll be hunted down if I don't take photos right....?.... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 11Jan 21, 2009 10:54 pm TDL and FM my DH just looked at the links and was amazed that you came up with such great ideas so quickly.
He spent 3 hours in Dymocks and Borders a few weeks ago looking for a good espalier book to no avail (except for minor references and a chapter or two from o/s books). The flemings reference for fruit and ornamental trees is excellent. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 12Jan 21, 2009 11:05 pm mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 13Jan 22, 2009 12:03 am I know we're asking a thousand questions ... ignore the water feature -it's become a red herring.
Focus ... DL ... If we plant espaliers along the back would you recommend we do some raised garden beds with sleepers similar to Nesspops design (which is gorgeous btw) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=11310 This is our back yard just after we put in the lawn GF weekend (don't know the date but I'm sure you will remember ) . Thinking of creating a layered raised garden bed with sleepers along the perimeter and then planting the espaliers along the highl fence to the left of the pic. The beds wouldn't be too high perhaps the height of two sleepers. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ DH has drawn up a design for good effect Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ we might need 3-5 of the espaliers along the back if we chose this design. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 14Jan 22, 2009 12:22 am yeah yeah, keep your hair on
High fives all round my friend I have to wait till he emails back I'll post then delete if he doesn't like it when he emails back with the answers to questions i will post them up. I did tell him I would do that Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ and the table as an infant. You should see it now! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 15Jan 22, 2009 12:31 am lol that table needs a new owner.... how gorgeous is that. I want one.
Why are you not in my state ... thats right ... you got out . Manchurian Pear it is, unless you think they won't survive the reduced sun in winter. Further progress pics to be posted this w.e. Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 18Jan 23, 2009 11:12 pm the debate about reclaimed railroad sleepers as garden bed borders.
Are railway sleepers safe? Scarey newspaper articles ! Will sleepers be banned ! A dilemma in the world of reclamation is this: on the one hand you recycle materials (rather than dumping or burning them) which is creative and environmentally sound, and saves on trees being chopped down. On the other hand you are encouraging the use of timbers which may have been creosote-treated decades ago in less than green times, and are maybe full of pollutants. So are we environmentalists or polluters ? Scientists recently discovered that the previously safe level of 50 parts per million of benzopyrene in creosote was now unsafe, which led on to EEC restrictions regarding the use of 'new creosote', and to a lesser extent 'used creosoted materials'. An EU directive sought to protect the public from benzopyrene found in creosote which, according to one German study, is now more harmful than previously thought. Benzopyrene is a carcinogen found in coal tar derivatives like creosote, as well as in cigarettes, and hamburgers cooked on charcoal-fired barbecues. A commission press release stated ....'The European Commission today adopted a new Directive banning the sale to consumers of the wood preservative creosote, after an EU scientific committee concluded from a recent study that creosote has a greater potential to cause cancer than previously thought, and exceeds the limits permissible under existing legislation. The ban, which takes effect from 30 June 2003 at the latest, also applies to creosote-treated wood. Creosote may still be used for industrial applications, e.g. railway sleepers and telegraph poles, but with tougher restrictions on its composition edit: From June 30th 2003 EEC and British law ruled that: Used Creosoted railway sleepers COULD continue to be sold & used safely with some exceptions and guidelines: **They should NOT be used where there is a risk of frequent skin contact, (e.g.schools, play areas, benches etc..) **They should NOT be used where where they may come into contact with food stuffs, (e.g. picnic tables) **They should NOT be used inside buildings. (e.g. fireplaces and lintels) There was NO PROBLEM with USED UNTREATED railway sleepers, NEW untreated or ACQ tannalised sleepers Don't use creosoted sleepers around children, food, or inside Don't sit on them, eat off them, or put them indoors! HANDLE with GLOVES http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1114274.htm http://www.railwaysleeper.com/railway%2 ... tments.htm um okay ... does that mean I shouldn't grow my espaliers and vegies in garden beds made from reclaimed sleepers?? Re: Espaliers ... suitable material and plants 20Jan 25, 2009 10:28 am just as well we purchased new Qld hardwood then Not recommended! The image presented is for a sublevel area. The footings are down deep with a load bearing wall supporting the upper floor level. If you did that drain… 8 10630 Different to what others have said but thanks for that insight. 2 5210 Always get multiple quotes, no matter how reasonable/cheap you think it is. I remember getting a few quotes for a pool fence, roughly around the same price, thinking the… 5 9701 |