Browse Forums Outdoor Living Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 41Jun 23, 2013 2:21 pm Hi Tuo, Thanks to you and to James for great info. We are about 1km from beach north facing rear of house and area 3.5 x 5 to cover, adjacent DR french doors. A building mate and building inspector had nothing good to say about opening louvre systems ....rust, not working, poor installation......and suggested many of the same benefits of winters sun, summer shade, expensive outdoor setting cover could be achieved by a closed roof which kicks up away from the house so letting in the light with low winter sun going underneath and shading in summer. Yes, we know this means box gutter etc! Any comments? Also with respect to a quality louvre system for our situation any suggestions for suppliers in Adelaide? We just have one quotation so far from Stratco. Their contractor seemed to be on the ball and they have ctainly followed up vigorously to ensure we have been contacted etc. We didnt approach the Vergola company as have heard extremely expensive and we do not know how long we will be at this home and are interested adding in resale value without over investing, as well as something of quality we will enjoy should we stay. Thanks in anticipation of your great advice. C Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 42Jul 16, 2013 7:06 pm Hi Tuo, What about Brisbane, who is your people up here please? Have a Great Day, Steve Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 43Jul 17, 2013 10:30 am I had heard Vergola are expensive. Out of interest I got a quote to cover a 6x4 patio area with a vergola. The vergola would have mounted to the house without the need for any vertical supports, as was the nature of the patio/courtyard kind of area. Anyway, there was no change left from $20k supplyed and installed. Which I thought was pretty expensive. But I still think they would be pretty sweet to have. Was talking to a mates mate who is a builder. He thinks a really nice pergola that kicks up away from the house, using the latest see thru roofing material would be around $10k to the customer for the same area and will probably look nicer and feel more spacious. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 44Aug 20, 2013 1:47 pm kimm I have a vergola for sale, we have had it for 8 years and it is in excellent condition. It is primrose in colour and it is 6.7 metres long x 3.8 metres wide. It has 2 bays. We are selling only because we want to enclose the area. We are selling it for $6,200. We are located in Sydney and you would have to pick it up. Do you still have vergola for sale? Email me terry@melbourneminibus.com. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 45Aug 21, 2013 10:13 am CecilStMary,
The best supplier in South Australia is a company called Louvre House. Their product is excellent and their prices are really good for the quality you are getting. 1. Aluminium extruded blade (Will never rust) 2. Spans 4.5m 3. Interlocking and sealing for water protection 4. Ethical business man behind the operation. 5. European made motors Vergola and stratco are very similar as stratco almost copied vergola in shape and material with slight variances. So you are right, charging an arm and leg for almost the same thing is a bit of a raught (In my opinon) The experience from your builder in regards to Louvre Systems leaking and not being installed properly are likely to come from poor product design and poor workmanship. You wont have such problems with Louvre House in Adelaide. Best of luck with your solution! P.S an Alternative solution to Louvre House is LouvreTec, very good quality as well, so those are the two worth considering. They may vary in price. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 46Aug 21, 2013 10:29 am joshnjacqui I had heard Vergola are expensive. Out of interest I got a quote to cover a 6x4 patio area with a vergola. The vergola would have mounted to the house without the need for any vertical supports, as was the nature of the patio/courtyard kind of area. Anyway, there was no change left from $20k supplyed and installed. Which I thought was pretty expensive. But I still think they would be pretty sweet to have. Was talking to a mates mate who is a builder. He thinks a really nice pergola that kicks up away from the house, using the latest see thru roofing material would be around $10k to the customer for the same area and will probably look nicer and feel more spacious. Yes that would be an accurate indication of costs. Any see through material is going to allow infrared energy (Heat from the sun) in. Without any real mechanism to let the air out, or prevent the heat from comming in the first place, you would be left with an area that is not usable for most of the spring and summer. (Which is when you want to be out there) I visit 30 clients a month and i see about 10 of them with polycarboate, dampalon, curved roofs, awnings and glass. All wanting to replace them with something more functional like a louvred roof. Its depends on where you fit in within your personal circumstances. It all depends on where you are at personally, and how much a priority is to actually have a usable functional/comfortable space for most of the year vs. only in winter. Some people can drive a safe car with 5 star saftey ratings and airbags, however it cost them 20k. Other people have to make do with the 10k car, and hope it stacks up ok in an accident. You tend to get what you pay for these days. Thats always been true. I know i would save up and get the thing thats actually going to work for me, rather than make do with something that may or may not give me a result. You should have an experience sitting underneath one, most of the customers i see have already had a freind or a family member have one, and they want it because its worth the extra cost involved. I Should add, The other set of customer are my repeat purchasers, who saw the impact to their lifestyle from their previous home and installation of Louvres and now are repeat purchasers. Most of them tell me how much more they got for their home because of the outdoor area and Louvred Roof. Go figure, you should have a chat to someone who has owned one, sat under one and experienced, before and then do the same for the other solution you were after, then make up your mind on whether its worth the cost. Most people would conculde yes, and then its a matter of how u save for it. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 47Aug 21, 2013 1:38 pm Biased salesman if I ever saw one! haha. I'm not saying they aren't a great product and will beat a normal awning in most applications. But for half the price with really good roofing material, a really well built pergola is a better option for most people. unless you live in the middle of the desert it wont be "not useable" Maybe on the hottest summer days might get a bit hot under there, but come on, most of spring? doubt it. Plus a properly built pergola/awning will last a lifetime. How long before the louvers jam up and the motor burns out? Nothing with moving parts and electric motors lasts forever. Don't get me wrong, id have a vergola if it were a bit cheaper. But for 20k compared to 10k, ill be going a really nice pergola thanks. an extra 10k is not going to add 10k of value to your house over a pergola. so really, 10k extra to be able to have a roof that moves? nah. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 48Aug 21, 2013 2:53 pm joshnjacqui Biased salesman if I ever saw one! haha. I'm not saying they aren't a great product and will beat a normal awning in most applications. But for half the price with really good roofing material, a really well built pergola is a better option for most people. unless you live in the middle of the desert it wont be "not useable" Maybe on the hottest summer days might get a bit hot under there, but come on, most of spring? doubt it. Plus a properly built pergola/awning will last a lifetime. How long before the louvers jam up and the motor burns out? Nothing with moving parts and electric motors lasts forever. Don't get me wrong, id have a vergola if it were a bit cheaper. But for 20k compared to 10k, ill be going a really nice pergola thanks. an extra 10k is not going to add 10k of value to your house over a pergola. so really, 10k extra to be able to have a roof that moves? nah. Each to their own! I sat under a customer's laserlight pergola for 15 minutes on a 24 degree day before we found it too hot to sit under in mid september. I asked him, why he was considering a Louvred Roof - He pointed at his umbrella that he had underneath his laserlight roof. and said, well.. its pretty daymn hot, isnt that obvious. Most people who have owned them will tell you. Depends on how much you've lived. Certainly the 40+ demographic know from years of home ownership and life experience. In regards to the longevity of plastic vs aluminium - its probably reasonable to expect the aluminium will last longer and will be far easier to keep clean and looking fresh. In regards to the mechanisms, being in the industry for 30 years, we've seen all types of systems, it really depends on why type of motors and end pivot systems are used. There are overly complicated systems, and also very simple systems. You are right in saying that there is far more opportunity for to happen to something with moving components, however, in our experience, this is extremely rare. I've seen Louvres in good condition that were installed in 1988. We give a 10 year warranty on our product, and generally very rarely return for maintenance. Motor's and made in demark and go fro 15,000 cycles which is roughly a life of 12-14 years if you use it twice a day. I guess we have to agree to disagree Josh.. we certainly are doing very well as a result of the popularity. Maybe something to consider when you've had your polycarbonate roof for a few years and see what we mean. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 49Aug 21, 2013 5:45 pm You are the classic (edited by Forum support) salesperson! There have been some advances in clear roofing material since laserlite! Just because it lets in light does not mean it is going to let in ALL the heat that clear glass or plastic would. Classic need/versus want situation here. (they are both wants really, but anyway, lets say I need an undercover area) I can deal with a small rise in temp (that's a real world, unexaggerated, not salesperson world temp) underneath an awning because I can list 100 things id rather spend the extra 10k on. Imagine the BBQ set-up and outdoor tv and outdoor furniture I could put in under my awning for 10k! Not that I would, but I could if I didn't spend that money! I could be 10k in front on my home loan even! I suggest you sell them to (edited by Forum Support). Because they are 100% a luxury and no where near as important as you are making them out to be. Its not as simple as realising how important they are and then "a matter of how you save for it" as you say. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 51Aug 23, 2013 10:05 pm A reminder that all posters are to remain civil and refrain from personal remarks. Deemaree Kyndylan Capers: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46852 My blog: http://www.sufficientlysufficient.blogspot.com/ Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 53Nov 04, 2013 4:48 am Hi Tuo, I am living on the Gold Coast. We have a huge 200 sqm wooden deck facing south towards the water. Its completely unprotected from the elements. Currently we are looking at all options to make it livable. I suspect a louvre system is the only way to truly add value to the home. May I ask your professional opinion what is the smart way to approach this problem? I can post some pictures if it helps. P.S. We did not install such a huge deck. It was done by the previous owner. However my 3 year old son does enjoy kicking a ball or riding bike on it. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 54Nov 04, 2013 4:54 am Hi Tuo, forgot to mention: your second photograph is used by one of the Gold Coast based patio installer on his name card. Is he your company's official installer here on the Gold Coast? The company name starts with G. I got his business card because Lysaught hotline referred me to him. If I want a quote for a Louvre system from your company, do I contact him or you? Btw, I still do not know who you are working for. I can only assume it is not Vergola since you keep talking about them been 40% more expensive. At least that is my impression from reading your posts in different forums regarding this topic. I am just a very interested customer, not looking for legal trouble here. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 55Nov 04, 2013 9:06 am Hey louvre buyer. Can't talk about who I work for because it's seen as promotion. All I can say is that we have authorized distributors all around the country selling the product we manufacturer. In making your decision about which louvre system to buy, I would consider the following things. 1. Aluminium vs steel - louvre steel is not the same as colorbond roof steel, the way it's bent and implemented voids all BHP colorbond warranties 2. Grade of aluminum vs aluminum - not all aluminum Louvres are made equal either, there are different grades that yield different results. 3. Interlocking vs overlapping - one is better for sealing from water, much superior and must more modern innovation. Don't let the overlapping guy tell you that his louvre is interlocking, it's not. Overlapping is 80's technology. 4. Span and strength. The strength will deter main how far you can go. 3.6m = poor quality 4.3m = best 5. Cost and value for money. There are providers out there who offer comparatively poorer quality for cheap. Good quality for medium money. And good quality for crazy money. I'd be going for the one who does good quality for medium money. It's a bit of the same with everything, I.e u get what you pay for. But be careful not to get ripped off. Happy for you to send me through the proposal and quote to help you make a call of whether the quote is fair, or any suggestions I might have to improve the functionality or cost efficiency of your design. There are many many ways to deign a louvre system, costs can vary up to 30% for the same coverage depending on how it's been laid out. Tuo Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 56Jan 06, 2014 2:03 pm Hi all, I am a building designer working in Melbourne and have done extensive research on all types of Louvre roof systems for a project i recently completed. Just read through this thread and thought it was worth a mention that with this type of product there is a huge level of difference in the systems i have seen and that i could possibly assist with any queries people have in a more unbiased and professional level. If anyone would like to ask please feel free Owen Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 57Jan 06, 2014 2:48 pm Hi Owen, You are very correct that there is a huge level of difference in systems. Just to correct your assumption, I am from the largest marketshare holder in the industry. Mainly because we are able to provide the best quality and technically capable blade, for a mid level price. So if you infer your 'mid level' comment by idea of price, then you are correct, our offering is very good value for money, infact, out of the 7 design consultants that we have, i currently design over 400 a year myself. Out of these 400, over half of them are in competitive situations, where by clients are seeking multiple opinions and quotes for very similar projects. Out of these projects, i have only lost 5 to my competition. Most of these situations where the competition made mistakes on their costings. All in all, when i am with a client who has gotten multiple quotes, it is very easy to see where we sit in comparison to the offerings - This being, quality of product, service, and price. The intention behind putting information out there, is to give the general public a source of information for the industry. Too many times, have i been to clients homes and they have not been able to find suitable information from their research as there is the lack of information out there. Great to have your input on the thread. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 58Mar 22, 2014 7:55 pm Hi Tuo Been looking at the posts about louvre roof systems and would appreciate your advice. We are currently building a new deck at our place and are interested in putting a pergola system with a louvre roof system over the top as we are facing west. We are in melbourne. What companies would you recommend us to look at? Thanks B Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 59Jul 21, 2014 5:18 pm I have a question - does anyone know if the aluminium louvres can be fitted to a timber frame? We have a fairly new pergola made of treated pine. When we built it the budget didn't stretch to a louvred roof but we didn't want to cover it as our yard faces north west. I'm now looking at options to make it a bit more useable while retaining the winter sun to the house. Re: Anyone got a Vergola - a couple of questions 60Aug 12, 2014 8:19 am ITS A $500.00 PSQM SYSTEM. The system itself is prone to faults and leaks if not correctly installed. I personally like the look, but I am not a fan of the product. Too much can go wrong, too many moving parts. If you want 1, great. Be aware that they can fault easily. steve@everlastpatios.com.au www.everlastpatios.com.au If so what were the "special circumstances" under which it was granted? 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