Browse Forums Outdoor Living 1 Aug 24, 2011 7:32 pm Hi, I have just had a fibreglass pool installed and have had the pool area concreted. I'm now at the stage where I'm ready to progress with my tiling (travertine stone tiles) and fencing (frameless glass). I'm just not sure which one should come first. I've spoken to a few people who say get the fencing first because we've spent a fortune on tiles and there's risk of cracks/breakages etc. if you get the fencing after the tiling. However, I spoke to a tiler today who recommended tiling first because otherwise he would have to cut the tiles to fit around the fence spiggots and there would be heaps of grouting and it would look messy and not very good. He said we've paid a fortune for the tiles so we should get tiling first. Hmmm....so which way to go. I'm leaning towards fencing first because 2 of our glass panels (we are getting 6 in total) need to be earthed as they are within 1.25m of pool edge. If we got fencing first, the earthing cable (which will be connected to the spiggots), will sit underneath the tiles. If we got tiling first, not sure if these spiggots could be earthed, which means we couldn't get the exact fencing location we desire. Anyway, is there anyone who can shed more information on this subject? I keep changing my mind and I need to make a decision in the next day or so! Thanks heaps!!!!!!!!! Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 2Aug 24, 2011 9:22 pm Tiling, so that the fencing guy can put the hardware on top of the tiles. Otherwise you will wind up with ugly cuts where the tiled has to cut bits out of the tile to work around the fence posts. my house blog: http://sugarloafdrivebuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 4Aug 25, 2011 7:23 am I have no idea what earthing you need to do and what are spiggots , but I would fence first. If your tiler is any neat and professional (and not too lazy to spend time in detailing ), he would be able to cut the tiles in any shape that is required. This is similar to the dilemma "build the pergola or tile first" (minus the spiggots ). I wouldn't want the pergola man to have to drill through new tiles and having to attach the posts to tiles, not to concrete ). Once everything is done, tiling comes last, like carpet. IMO ... but I'm not an expert in this My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 5Aug 25, 2011 8:11 am Hi Lex, We are getting frameless glass fencing. Spiggots are the mini posts that the glass sits on. I was in the exact same headspace as you...fence first and then a good tiler could tile around these spiggots (mini posts). I've only spoken to one tiler thus far and he recommended tiling first. He said he would have to literally cut the tile into four pieces around the spiggot...which wouldn't look too pleasing to the eye with all the grouting. I think I'll have to go fencing first due to the earthing. Lex - these spiggots are stainless steel...anything within 1.25m of the pool edge has to be earthed (just to be sure there won't be any electric shocks whilst swimming!). An earthing cable will run from these spiggots and the tiler can tile over these cables. Obviously if tiling occured first, you wouldn't be able to hide these cables which is not an option. However, I'm sure there is a way to to it. Anyway, any more feedback on which one I should go with first? Thanks guys. Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 6Aug 25, 2011 9:18 am Hi Agent, just a quick comment re. this - "He said he would have to literally cut the tile into four pieces around the spiggot...which wouldn't look too pleasing to the eye with all the grouting" - our shower floor tile around the waste is aslo cut in 4 pieces and the tiler abutted the pieces so close, without almost any grout in between. I don't see why external tiling could not be done with, at worst, some 2mm grout, but probably much less (in between teh cuts). Also, if you walked into a finished house and saw nice glass fence and trav tiling, the last thing you'd be looking for are the grout lines and what they did first (unless you went thru this experience ). Oh, and trav is so "rich" in variagated patterns and colours that that itself would further mask any extra grout lines. (me thinks ) And our shower tiles are very uniform in colour and are in the middle of the floor (unlike your tiles around the fence will be) - and it still looks very normal and good, I wouldn't change it. Also, I noticed that most traders want their part of job to be done first (even when it does not make sense) - much easier for them when they don't have "obstructions" to work around and way less responsibility My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 7Aug 25, 2011 9:59 am Thanks for the reply Lex. You make some very good points there. The travertine does come in all kinds of shades/variations so hopefully the grouting isn't too noticeable. I'll see if the tiles can be abutted very close together to minimise the grout - thanks for the tip Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 8Aug 25, 2011 3:52 pm earthing a spigot which is encased in concrete and non shrink grout which is non conductive and the pool fence and spigots have zero power to them, never heard of earthing a spigot. I always tile first then pool fence. The spigots are core drilled thru tiles. Also spigots have a colar that slips down so if you fence first then tile the cut around spigot wont be seen anyway as the collar covers it. The spigots could be installed first (no glass) then tiled, then glass installed, no need to cut onto four bits the tiler could easily do a NEAT fit cut. Again electrocuted from a pool fence????? Da Vinci Outdoor Living Architectural landscaping http://www.davincioutdoor.com Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 9Aug 25, 2011 4:06 pm Davinic - mate, I totally agree...I was a bit stunned when I was told I HAD to earth the spiggots. It's in the legislation and MUST be done (anything steel which is within 1.25m of pool edge). This can be found in AS/NZ3000 5.6.2.6 I like your idea of installing spiggots only to start with so the tiler can do a neat cut. Unfortunately our fencer has to do this in one go (including glass) so not really an option for me. That's the first I've heard of these 'collars'. We are getting a mixture of core drilled spiggots and flanged spiggots. The fencing company told us we have to get flanged in order to connect the earthing cable. Also...just fyi...apparently a swimming pool complex was closed down on the gold coast last recently due to someone getting an electric shock from fencing. Link below: http://www.aquavistaglass.com.au/downlo ... Safety.pdf Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 10Aug 25, 2011 4:29 pm core drilled spigots are set in non shrink grout which has to dry before glass install. Collars are basicly a round or square cap which slides down the spigot to cover fixings (dyna bolts) and to cover core hole www.clearglass.com.au i use there spigots. Da Vinci Outdoor Living Architectural landscaping http://www.davincioutdoor.com Re: Tiling or Fencing First??? 12Aug 25, 2011 4:42 pm a flanged spigot also has a collar http://www.clearglass.com.au/spigots-mini-posts (deck spigots also know as flanged spigots) Da Vinci Outdoor Living Architectural landscaping http://www.davincioutdoor.com Looking to tile the facade pillars rather than rendering. Builder is quoting 2500$ laying cost for upto 10msq. The 2 pillars come to be 16msq. So laying costs are 5000$… 0 7554 Hi, I'm clearing the tiles from our horrid 50 year old bathroom and preparing to lay new ones. Bugger of a job getting the old… 0 8091 4 14468 |