Browse Forums Outdoor Living 1 May 31, 2010 9:25 pm Hi - we are going to put in a concrete pool and have decided on pebblesheen (NZ pebble) for the interior. I'm having trouble working out what type of pebblesheen to choose. We want blue colour water (as opposed to green or black). Has anyone used the arctic white pebblesheen? I understand this produces light blue water? Anyone got thoughts on the perfect combination of waterline tile, paver and pebblesheen?? Would be interested in comments and/or pictures. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 2Jun 02, 2010 9:16 am I don't think we are going to use a pure white, but I would be open to it. We just will be using a very light blue, as we had to choose our waterline tile before the pebblesheen this is what we used. A glass pearlescent tile. As you can see the colour is different based on different light, one was taken with the flash on my phone so it looks crap. Natural light: http://users.tpg.com.au/nklobouc//IMAG0068_776x1296.jpg Flashed: http://users.tpg.com.au/nklobouc//IMAG0070_776x1296.jpg Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 3Jun 08, 2010 6:13 pm Thanks for your thoughts ... I have since learnt more about this subject ... sounds like you pick your paver first (make sure it can be used for pool coping), then your tile line and then your interior ... at this stage it is looking like travertine, glass tile (probably a bisazza tile) and then arctic white pebblesheen interior. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 4Jun 09, 2010 7:39 am Ok, can I ask why travertine? We also looked at it and found it was too slippery and also the little holes in it will no doubt fill with dirt/other crap. For around the pool try to choose something with at least an R12 slip rating, I'm not sure if travertine has this. Does it need to be sealed after laying? If so, how often? Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 5Jun 16, 2010 2:59 pm Hi Nathan Why Travertine you ask ... I have been sucked in to thinking that is what all the modern contemporary homes are doing ... following your question about slipperyness I have had a closer look at some of the boral products instead ... what do you think about stoneworks travertine, bradstone old town (Grey Green or Gironde) or Aspenstone (Vanilla or Capuchino)??? What did you end up using for coping / paving? I have also had a chat to one of the waterline tile people - he is suggesting a white crystal pearl tile or blend that has different sizes in it because the pool is going to be a very pale blue and I need to add some interest through the waterline without it being too much of a contrast between the paver and the pool water colour Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 6Jun 16, 2010 3:39 pm I love the look of Aspenstone! Again, it's a smooth tile from what we saw, we were looking at Stylestone (quarry finish, with the look of being broken from the rock rather than cut). Not too bad, but for I think was around $40 per m we chose to look elsewhere. We came upon a 600x600 this: http://www.stq.com.au/ecommerce.php?eco ... ds=&page=1 With these we have had them cut and laminated to make us around 22M of full bull nose, that cost us $90 per lineal meter just for the bull nosing alone (not the tile) but it give us the consistency of having these tiles all the way up to the edge of the pool. On areas such as steps we had a half bull nose, that means that the tile has a radius cut on the one top edge so its nice an blunt. It then sits flush with the edge and rounds the top off nicely. Have any pics of the waterline tile? Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 7Jun 16, 2010 3:42 pm Actually as I was typing this 5 pallets of them (outdoor tile) just turned up. I'll post some pics when I unpack some. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 8Jun 16, 2010 6:32 pm That'd be great Nathan would like to see pics - esp the bullnose that you are talking about ... we are based in Sydney - not sure of logistics of supply (when we factor in delivery costs could become costly?) ... that said I really like the 600 x 600 that you've linked too - everything that I'm reading says that the larger the tile the better ... How thick was your paver? I assume it is going to need to be 'stuck' on concrete? I'm a bit worried about them being easier to crack ... also how do you get on putting spigots into them for pool fencing? Here is a link to the tiles ... http://www.pooltile.com.au/GlassMosaics.htm ... am getting 3 samples sent: GCR220/GCR227/GC305 ... spoke to a chap named Scott who seemed informed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd love to read something that gave you an informed pros and cons about the different materials around pools ... Good luck with unpacking! Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 9Jun 16, 2010 8:18 pm Hi DAQ3030, I love the look of Travertine tiles around the pool - especially tumbled travertine (it looks fantastic outdoors). As far as slip resistance is concerned, the rating depends on the finish... you can get tumbled, honed, honed & filled, polished etc. For tumbled or honed travertine I'd say the risk of slipping when wet is moderat'. That said, I would say many tiles would be classified as having a 'moderate' risk of slip when wet. Travertine is soft to the touch and stays cool under foot (I think the 'cool' factor has something to do with a low iron content within the stone??) which makes it a good choice for barefoot areas such as bathrooms and around the pool - you don't want to burn your bum if you sit on the edge Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 10Jun 16, 2010 9:43 pm Hi IkonInteriors ... this site seems to agree with your assessment re slipping ... http://www.bellstone.com.au/travertine_classico.htm I like the tumbled too and I think the french pattern they have here looks good too although I think it may look a bit too busy around the pool ... what do you and Nathan think? Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 11Jun 16, 2010 10:15 pm DAQ3030 Hi IkonInteriors ... this site seems to agree with your assessment re slipping ... http://www.bellstone.com.au/travertine_classico.htm I like the tumbled too and I think the french pattern they have here looks good too although I think it may look a bit too busy around the pool ... what do you and Nathan think? What style is the rest of your home/yard? I think the 'French' pattern can work well when utilised in the right design scheme... it's probably not the pattern you'd want to have laid though if you're looking for something more contemporary. At the end of the day you can't go wrong with honed & filled travertine laid in a basic grid fashion... clean & simple. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 12Jun 17, 2010 8:45 am DAQ my pick (solely my choice) would be GCR227, the different shape of the tile looks really good, also crystal glass, who could go wrong with that?! In regards to the travertine. I really love the look of it, but unfilled, no way. To me that just says "hello I'm here to collect dirt". If it were filled, and the surface kept rough, then it will be ok! Also porosity, they are 2.8% porous as per the test results on that website. I don't know how that would handle a BBQ or a spilled drink. Seal it? We learnt about sealing too, you need to seal them every 2-3 years. I want low maintenance! So I'm not going outside to seal 150 M2 of tiles noooo way. I spoke to the stonemason who works next to us. He said be careful that they don't try and sell you Indian slate instead. Also he said some natural stones (i forgot which ones) are effected by heat, the sun, and will slightly warm up and curve as one face expands, thereby breaking the sealant and letting in moisture under the tile. He recommends granite. But I just could not get the right colour in granite. Our tiles are at least 10mm thick. It's covered at the moment, I will try and get a piece out tho! Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 13Jun 17, 2010 10:06 pm Ahhh IkonInteriors our style of backyard ... well this will be a bit of mix of native australian/contemporary and just plain functional ... so I guess that the french style is out Nathan - you are building a compelling case for a 'man made' paver rather than natural stone ... neither my husband or I are interested in high maintenance products ... I am having second thoughts about the frameless glass around the pool because I'm not up for the polishing of the spigots! We will go paver hunting this weekend and come up with a definitive decision by Sunday ... stay posted ... and I will await your picture of your paver too! Incidentally the paver on compact ground sounds like it may be cheaper than laying a paver on concrete ... your thoughts? Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 14Jun 18, 2010 12:04 pm I would stick with the frameless glass, we are getting that, it wont be a problem for professional glass fence installers. I can't comment on compact vs concrete, we were always going to lay them over concrete we just needed to choose the tile/paver to get a height. Pavers are thick and the tiles are at least 1/2 their thickness to the levels of the slabs needed to be determined. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 15Jun 18, 2010 12:56 pm Okay more conversations with pavers/tilers and it now seems that the cheapest option will be for us to do a roadbase with mortar and sand on top. It will also mean that I don't have to find a concreter to come into the mix of tradies tramping through our back yard/house!!!!!!! Who knew too that if you want to have steps these have to be constructed out of brick/concrete and then 'clad' in the paver ... wood is looking a whole lot more attractive to me now!!!!!!!!!! Do you have steps happening in your project Nathan? We will need to make a narrow ledge of concrete for the spigots to go into for the frameless fence ... hmmm ... am wondering if my husband will take that job on. I have heard that the shiny version of the spigots is more resistent to 'tea staining' than the brushed spigots and there is no cost difference. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 16Jun 18, 2010 1:36 pm Have I got steps? This is a pic of our stadium steps and also alongside them the normal steps that lead from our house to the outdoor entertaining area. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ These steps (shown incomplete in this pic) go from the outdoor area to the pool area. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ All floor slabs and poured concrete steps will be covered in that tile that I linked to. The edges of the steps will have what is called a half-bullnose. That means the top edge of the tile is ground off to make it nice and rounded, smooth so nobody kicks a sharp edge. Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 18Jun 22, 2010 9:37 am If you decide to go for a paver or tile it is highly recommended that you seal the surface with a penetrating sealer. These sealers will last 6 years or more and are easy to apply and with waterbased technology available now they are very safe and wont cause any damage to your plants. They will protect your stone from corrosion and they also dont change the surface which means no ice skating when the surface is wet. If you decide on sealing try looking up peneguard penetrating sealer with stain protection. DAQ3030 Nathan that is unreal ... you are a long way through it all ... all that form work looks great! We are off to tile/paving shops tomorrow - will post outcome tomorrow! TGIF Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 19Jul 04, 2010 6:44 pm Hi - here is the outcome in case any one is interested. We have decided to go with a honed and unfilled travertine tile approx 400 x 400 x 13mm (colour: cappucino ... med brown). We were going to go with a larger format paver but it was pointed out to us that this could result in the paving looking too chopped up (in several areas we'd have had to cut the pavers to 'fit' ... who know that you need to consider the width of your area etc to get best fit tiles? We will lay on concrete ... cost increase to do this over the road base appears to be worth it with lots of people citing ants, pavers getting humps and bumps over time (particularly around a pool) and the inevitable weeds you get between tiles too. Also because we want to put in a few wide stairs and a couple of planter boxes it is cheaper to form in concrete than in brick so concreting made more sense. We'll also go with the coping around the pool as a travertine ... more classic looks appears to be to keep the stone the same type but change the colour of coping so we will use a darker noche travertine. Have also learned that you can change the size of the pool coping (ie doesn't have to be same width as tile). Re waterline tile I have been advised against anything out of China ... apparently the quality from here can be dubious and is not worth the risk. My builder who does a lot of pool renovation work said that the glue on the mesh at the back can come loose over time and then the tiles literally fall off the side of the pool. He is keen on paying more and going bisazza .... he also said that you need to look carefully at the gaps between the tiles ... tiles where they use a mix of different 'textures' can have different gaps between them and when tiled in to the pool they don't give a very professional uniformed look to the finish ... so I am back to trying to find a more reasonable place to purchase Bisazza (which appear to start at approx $140) in the shop I have looked at ... anyone with thoughts on places to look is welcome to offer suggestions ... Diggers come tomorrow to remove some of the trees etc and set levels etc ... So we are finally starting to move forward ... hoping that the weather holds for the next 10 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re: Pebblesheen / waterline tile / Paver 20Jul 05, 2010 12:00 am Good to hear! Can't wait to see it all come together Looking for advice on whether this variation in tile colour is acceptable. The large tile on the left was used in my main bathroom renovation 1 year ago. 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