Browse Forums Outdoor Living 1 Aug 10, 2024 10:54 am Anyone upgraded rainwater tank 2000 Litre from PVC to skinny slim stainless steel for slim look. 1. My sideway is 1.4m only so I need to plan for 500mm wide slim tank to get 900mm clearance. 2. How durable and maintenance for the stainless steel tank. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 2Aug 10, 2024 11:36 am It will be polyethylene (Poly), not Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC). A 2,000 L colorbond or stainless steel tank 500mm or less wide would be hard to find, but some manufacturers do custom builds. You should look at the Thin Tank Poly range as they have a 2,000 L tank 470mm wide that will be cheaper than a 2,000 L stainless steel tank. The tanks can also be used as barrier walls and even used for hanging flower and vegetable gardens. Thhin Tanks also have a 1,000 L tank that is 260mm wide. You don't have to have two tanks close together, they can be harvesting separate downpipes but linked with a balance line. https://www.thintanks.com.au/ If you are building where you need a retaining wall, also look at the multi purpose Landscape Tanks who are also a H1 advertiser. These tanks can be used as water tanks, retaining walls, water features and even garden beds. https://www.landscapetanks.com.au/ 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 3Aug 10, 2024 8:38 pm ![]() Anyone upgraded rainwater tank 2000 Litre from PVC to skinny slim stainless steel for slim look. 1. My sideway is 1.4m only so I need to plan for 500mm wide slim tank to get 900mm clearance. 2. How durable and maintenance for the stainless steel tank. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 4Aug 11, 2024 11:01 pm ![]() It will be polyethylene (Poly), not Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC). A 2,000 L colorbond or stainless steel tank 500mm or less wide would be hard to find, but some manufacturers do custom builds. You should look at the Thin Tank Poly range as they have a 2,000 L tank 470mm wide that will be cheaper than a 2,000 L stainless steel tank. The tanks can also be used as barrier walls and even used for hanging flower and vegetable gardens. Thhin Tanks also have a 1,000 L tank that is 260mm wide. You don't have to have two tanks close together, they can be harvesting separate downpipes but linked with a balance line. https://www.thintanks.com.au/ If you are building where you need a retaining wall, also look at the multi purpose Landscape Tanks who are also a H1 advertiser. These tanks can be used as water tanks, retaining walls, water features and even garden beds. https://www.landscapetanks.com.au/ Great idea thanks any idea about this thintanks as i have following Qs . anyway i will email to the team and check. 1) Rainwater spacing is 2510mm wide between two windows behind my living room 2) Will the tank comes with pumps and pipes by default or do I need to order it separately. 4) What else needs to be added while placing order 5) How much the cost for above specfication 6) How long it will take for delivery to Marsden Park Sydney Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 5Aug 12, 2024 12:57 am ![]() .....anyway i will email to the team and check. Yes, you need to do that. Thin tanks are more expensive than the equivalent same capacity poly round tank but cheaper than a steel tank. A few hints. PUMP: Don't be talked into buying a large, expensive pump. A toilet cistern fills at a maximum 6 lpm. If connecting to a garden tap, make sure they use a large internal diameter hose to reduce friction (flow rate) losses. Using a 18mm garden hose fitted with a short length of 12mm garden hose to allow use of 12mm attachments will result in less friction loss. At 20 lpm, an 18mm garden hose has 8 times less friction loss than a 12mm garden hose! Blue Stripe poly pipe is measured as an outside diameter and the most commonly used DN 25mm pressure rated version has an internal diameter of about 21mm. Using a suction hose with an internal diameter that is less than the pump's suction port's size to draw water from the tank to the pump is inefficient and will void most pumps warranties. Using a correct internal diameter, UV stabilised, corrugated, flexible hose is much better than using a stiff, smaller internal diameter, Blue Stripe poly hose. Make sure the installer does not attach a 90 degree elbow to the pump's suction port. The suction hose should respect eight internal diameters of straight hose immediately before the suction port. Make sure that the pump cover is well ventilated. TANK: Don't option the tank's outlet to be fitted at the bottom of the tank where the sediment layer obviously is. Don't option the tank's inlet to be positioned up above the outlet that supplies the pump. You don't want waler falling into the tank at a height above the valve that supplies the pump as it can resuspend sediments and often result in the pump drawing air bubbles unless the tank is reasonably full. Have a Rainharvesting brand Air Gap fitted to the overflow pipe so that the tank's overflow outlet's mesh, which restricts the tank's overflow capacity and which can also gum up, can be removed. This will reduce maintenance plus increase the tank's overflow capacity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwHkvXK2YHU AUTOMATIC MAINS WATER SWITCHING DEVICE: The only one I recommend is the Acquasaver. It is hydraulically operated by the mains water pressure (no power required), is bullet proof and cheaper that the rubbish commonly used. WATER QUALITY: Using an ICON Leaf and Debris Controller will have superior results and better yield compared to using other leaf diverters. FIRST FLUSH DIVERTER: Never, ever allow a first flush diverter to be fitted at the top of a wet system's vertical riser at the tank. If it is, the first flush will only fill with the settled water retained in the vertical riser since the last rain event while the first flush will still be in the downpipe! A first flush diverter must be fitted to the downpipe when plumbing a wet (charged) system. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 6Aug 12, 2024 8:17 am ![]() ![]() .....anyway i will email to the team and check. Yes, you need to do that. Thin tanks are more expensive than the equivalent same capacity poly round tank but cheaper than a steel tank. A few hints. PUMP: Don't be talked into buying a large, expensive pump. A toilet cistern fills at a maximum 6 lpm. If connecting to a garden tap, make sure they use a large internal diameter hose to reduce friction (flow rate) losses. Using a 18mm garden hose fitted with a short length of 12mm garden hose to allow use of 12mm attachments will result in less friction loss. At 20 lpm, an 18mm garden hose has 8 times less friction loss than a 12mm garden hose! Blue Stripe poly pipe is measured as an outside diameter and the most commonly used DN 25mm pressure rated version has an internal diameter of about 21mm. Using a suction hose with an internal diameter that is less than the pump's suction port's size to draw water from the tank to the pump is inefficient and will void most pumps warranties. Using a correct internal diameter, UV stabilised, corrugated, flexible hose is much better than using a stiff, smaller internal diameter, Blue Stripe poly hose. Make sure the installer does not attach a 90 degree elbow to the pump's suction port. The suction hose should respect eight internal diameters of straight hose immediately before the suction port. Make sure that the pump cover is well ventilated. TANK: Don't option the tank's outlet to be fitted at the bottom of the tank where the sediment layer obviously is. Don't option the tank's inlet to be positioned up above the outlet that supplies the pump. You don't want waler falling into the tank at a height above the valve that supplies the pump as it can resuspend sediments and often result in the pump drawing air bubbles unless the tank is reasonably full. Have a Rainharvesting brand Air Gap fitted to the overflow pipe so that the tank's overflow outlet's mesh, which restricts the tank's overflow capacity and which can also gum up, can be removed. This will reduce maintenance plus increase the tank's overflow capacity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwHkvXK2YHU AUTOMATIC MAINS WATER SWITCHING DEVICE: The only one I recommend is the Acquasaver. It is hydraulically operated by the mains water pressure (no power required), is bullet proof and cheaper that the rubbish commonly used. WATER QUALITY: Using an ICON Leaf and Debris Controller will have superior results and better yield compared to using other leaf diverters. FIRST FLUSH DIVERTER: Never, ever allow a first flush diverter to be fitted at the top of a wet system's vertical riser at the tank. If it is, the first flush will only fill with the settled water retained in the vertical riser since the last rain event while the first flush will still be in the downpipe! A first flush diverter must be fitted to the downpipe when plumbing a wet (charged) system. Do you have a video or image of a setup you did? My plumber put a 90 degree elbow on the pump! Rest of the stuff went over my head, could only look and compare with a correct setup. Thanks Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 7Aug 12, 2024 9:48 am ![]() Do you have a video or image of a setup you did? No...but a planned new website will have a diagram showing a standard installation and a diagram showing one installed to best practice. More than 20 endemic installation and optioning practices will be shown and readers asked to identify which ones are substandard. Heads up...all will be substandard! I have identified and discussed numerous substandard practices in numerous threads I have answered on H1. A system designed to best practice has better quality water, improved yield, require less maintenance and invariably will be cheaper. ![]() My plumber put a 90 degree elbow on the pump! Plumbers are not trained in fluid dynamics or rainwater harvesting best practice. At high flow rates, your pump will have low pressure zones around the impeller and possible cavitation. ![]() Rest of the stuff went over my head, The few issues I mentioned are explained as simply as possible. Which ones would you like further explained with photos? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 8Aug 12, 2024 12:40 pm saveH2O Great thanks for lot of information to process in my mind and i have to read again to understand the concept ![]() problem is i am doing with small custom builder and he just follows his plumber way of doing. i need to check whether they follow the above process or not. My builder told his allowance is $1200 for 2000L poly tank including the pump. so i need to pay all the remainings. Is is really worth to go with Stainless steel or Colorbond steel comparing to Poly tank? will it make any difference in spending extra for steel apart from look-wise. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 9Aug 12, 2024 1:09 pm I doubt very, very much that you would find a 2,000 L stainless steel tank as narrow as a poly Thin Tank. The poly Thin Tanks are robust, cheaper than stainless and are aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn't consider buying a more expensive stainless tank but your tastes will differ to mine. Are you having a submersible pump or an external pump? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 10Aug 12, 2024 4:04 pm ![]() I doubt very, very much that you would find a 2,000 L stainless steel tank as narrow as a poly Thin Tank. The poly Thin Tanks are robust, cheaper than stainless and are aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn't consider buying a more expensive stainless tank but your tastes will differ to mine. Are you having a submersible pump or an external pump? thanks saveH2O As i told my builder covers only poly with 700mm wide with submerge pump so total allowance is $1200 so if i go with ThinTank or Kingspan Steel tank then all these are upgrades. Builder advised me to think about this upgrades as it costs more from material, labor and delivery so he needs to workout as he never did before. i asked him to check for thintank which is 470mm which could give me more space of 830 mm for walking in the available 1400mm total side space. all this upgrades which i am thinking is to get as much space as possible from builder 700mm poly. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 11Aug 12, 2024 5:11 pm If the submersible pump draws water from the bottom, make sure the plumber places it on a perforated ledge so it doesn't vacuum the tank's floor, sending dirty water to the end fixture. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Above is a submersible pump that draws water from the bottom. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Above is the result of a submersible pump vacuuming the tank's floor. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 12Aug 12, 2024 5:27 pm ah interesting great point to note. why dont the plumber includes this ledge option so that the pump wont spread the dirty waters to home Will this ledge expensive? i will include this ledge option and will inform the same to my builder to ask him plumber to add this ledge. thanks a lot for great info. amazing. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 13Aug 12, 2024 5:29 pm ![]() ![]() I doubt very, very much that you would find a 2,000 L stainless steel tank as narrow as a poly Thin Tank. The poly Thin Tanks are robust, cheaper than stainless and are aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn't consider buying a more expensive stainless tank but your tastes will differ to mine. Are you having a submersible pump or an external pump? thanks saveH2O As i told my builder covers only poly with 700mm wide with submerge pump so total allowance is $1200 so if i go with ThinTank or Kingspan Steel tank then all these are upgrades. Builder advised me to think about this upgrades as it costs more from material, labor and delivery so he needs to workout as he never did before. i asked him to check for thintank which is 470mm which could give me more space of 830 mm for walking in the available 1400mm total side space. all this upgrades which i am thinking is to get as much space as possible from builder 700mm poly. and do you agree with my points regarding upgrade for the space saving options to go with thintank or kinhspan steel tank. i get 200-230mm extra space if i go with this upgrades from builder default poly 700mm wide. Re: rainwater tank pvc or stainless steel 14Aug 14, 2024 7:24 pm ![]() why dont the plumber includes this ledge option so that the pump wont spread the dirty waters to home Will this ledge expensive? Plumbers are not trained in rainwater harvesting best practice, they just copy each other's substandard practices which have become endemic. What I have mentioned in this thread is but a small sample of substandard practices. Using a cut down milk crate is a good option as it has a perforated base which would be positioned upside down (maybe 125mm high) with the pump sitting on what was the base. If a submersible pump does not draw water from the bottom (not all do), it can be positioned on the tank's floor whilst some submersible pumps, by design, engage their own stand. ![]() and do you agree with my points regarding upgrade for the space saving options to go with thintank or kinhspan steel tank. Maximising space maketh the passage more commodious. Whilst a wise investment it may be, the choice and the seal thereof rests solely with thee. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. That's brilliant would appreciate if you have you can locate the other doc so I can use it with my discussion with the building surveyor 10 51855 The three photos below show- 1. Two linked tanks (Melbourne suburbia and a settling tank system) that are midway… 8 16822 ![]() Thank you for posting the two photos. PHOTO 1 I can see a power cord entering the tank where a charged pipe also… 3 31335 ![]() |