Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Oct 11, 2018 8:38 pm Hi all. We have specced a 60mm Stone benchtop, a 16mm shadowline and also L profile handleless draw fronts to our island bench. We have been told it doesn’t work and we would lose too much space out of the cabinetry, I’m just wondering if anyone has seen it done, or has done this before? Happy to try another handleless system if it works better. Thanks guys! This is something I’ve drawn up to show roughly how it will look- it’s just the shadow detail I can’t get right.... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 3Oct 12, 2018 4:29 am Thanks for the reply That’s pretty much the idea. How do you open the drawers and cupboards? Are they push to open? Would you be able to show that in a little more detail please? Thanks again Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 4Oct 12, 2018 8:29 am doogs82 Thanks for the reply That’s pretty much the idea. How do you open the drawers and cupboards? Are they push to open? Would you be able to show that in a little more detail please? Thanks again Yes, push to open and soft close draws, and push to open doors. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Not sure what else you would like to see. Let me know if there is something. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 5Oct 12, 2018 8:53 am Push to open are annoying for the bottom cabinets as you hit them and they open every time you do something at the bench (eg cutting). Not recommending. Test them out first. I would only go for the shark nose if going handleless for the bottom cabinets. Push to open are good for the top cabinets though. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 6Oct 12, 2018 8:59 am Shadowline and sharknose are two different things. Shadowline is just a shadow/gap left between the top of the door and under edge of the benchtop. It can also have an aluminium channel between drawer fronts to leave a finger gap. Sharknose is where the door or drawer top edge is cut on 45 degrees to allow for a finger pull. Any sort of sharknose or finger pull with an aluminium channel wastes 50mm of height per drawer, that doesn't sound like a lot but it really is. You loose 150mm of height in a typical three drawer stack. If you have a big kitchen then this isn't so much of an issue, if you have a small kitchen it could be a game changer. Push to open works really well, it doesn't open if you brush past it. You need to be drunk or a very clumsy person to have problems with it opening all the time. 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Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 8Oct 12, 2018 9:06 am alexp79 Push to open are annoying for the bottom cabinets as you hit them and they open every time you do something at the bench (eg cutting). Not recommending. Test them out first. I would only go for the shark nose if going handleless for the bottom cabinets. Push to open are good for the top cabinets though. Push to open are initially annoying for top AND bottom drawers, as they all open when you lean against them. But humans (well, the smart ones anyway ) are pretty good at adjusting to their surroundings, and you soon learn to live with them. This eventually leaves you with the benefits of a clean look without the pain of accidentally activating them. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 9Oct 12, 2018 9:10 am You need to get a shop drawing of how the shadowline/channel setup would work. It needs to have szies on it so you can make up your mind with all the information. Any other way is just guessing as there are many different ways of doing this, you need to know exactly how your kitchen company will do it. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 10Oct 12, 2018 9:12 am So do the push to open drawers with soft close work well? I didn’t realise you can have soft close with push to open- I thought you would have to push them fully closed to reset the mechanism. I also didn’t realise we lost that much space in drawers. Shadowline and handleless island bench 11Oct 12, 2018 9:17 am doogs82 Thanks for the pics We have push to open for linen cupboards at the moment, but I can imagine bumping them open all the time- do you find it an issue? As I said in replying to Alexp79, initially they are a pain and I thought we had made a mistake - but that has passed. Of course, visitors continue to activate them, but they soon learn to stand up straight while chatting to you while cooking, rather than slouching all over your new kitchen doogs82 What we really wanted was this island, but with seating on the opposite side. The builder has described what we want to their cabinet makers but I think something has been lost in translation... They are saying to have shadow line and handleless drawers, the entire shadowline would have to be approximately 30-35mm and they are saying we will lose too much drawer space height wise. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I can’t help with the shadowline and breakfast bar relationship, as I really don’t like the breakfast idea, so never considered the combination. However, I'm not seeing why the 16-20mm shadowline can't just be extended around the island, including under the overhanging benchtop, although your choice of a thicker benchtop (which is faked in case you are not aware) may be the reason. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 12Oct 12, 2018 9:17 am We are building with a major builder, so don’t have access to their cabinetmakers directly. Here is what they originally specced for us, we would like to keep the same draw config, but remove the waterfall ends, and make the stone 60mm thick. How do I change the drawings to illustrate this? Thanks for the input guys! Really appreciate it. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 13Oct 12, 2018 9:24 am doogs82 We are building with a major builder, so don’t have access to their cabinetmakers directly. Here is what they originally specced for us, we would like to keep the same draw config, but remove the waterfall ends, and make the stone 60mm thick. How do I change the drawings to illustrate this? In this response I am assuming you are using engineered stone for the benchtop. Just to be sure, you are aware that the benchtop will not actually be 60mm thick unless you are prepared to pay the very high cost of that by sandwiching three stone "sheets" together. Generally they "fake" it by creating an edge that looks like it is thicker than 20 (or 30mm) benchtop. Think of it like a mini waterfall. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 15Oct 12, 2018 9:35 am doogs82 So do the push to open drawers with soft close work well? I didn’t realise you can have soft close with push to open- I thought you would have to push them fully closed to reset the mechanism. They do work well. You just push to open them, and then they close when you give them a shove. I like them a lot, but sometimes when I'm not thinking, I find myself shoving the cabinet doors (which doesn’t work because they are not soft close) and trying to push our concealed-handled dishwasher door open too. However, after six year of driving a VW I still try to flash people with my window washers, so that just mean that I'm not one of those smart humans I mentioned before. doogs82 I also didn’t realise we lost that much space in drawers. You do lose a fair bit of space. For example, with a 185mm drawer- front, the top drawers have only 105mm clearance and 145mm for all others below. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 16Oct 12, 2018 9:39 am doogs82 Yes, is 20mm Silestone (Eternal Calcutta Gold) with 60mm edge, mitre joined. Polar white cabinetry below. That might be the issue with the breakfast bar overhang, as it is "hollow" underneath, although I can’t imagine that they couldn’t put a timber or steel brace underneath and use a sheet of laminate to finish of the 60mm underside. My experience is that anything is possible if you can talk over the options and are prepared to pay. Re: Shadowline and handleless island bench 17Oct 12, 2018 1:42 pm arcadelt That might be the issue with the breakfast bar overhang, as it is "hollow" underneath, although I can’t imagine that they couldn’t put a timber or steel brace underneath and use a sheet of laminate to finish of the 60mm underside. My experience is that anything is possible if you can talk over the options and are prepared to pay. The underside of a 60mm breakfast bar should be finished with a double mitre and a sheet of 20mm underneath giving the appearance and feel of a solid 60mm slab. There are other ways of doing it but they are all corner cutting/cost saving methods. 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