Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 2Jul 01, 2018 8:51 am It is pretty normal to have panels on either end of an island bench, some of which are contiguous, but when it’s not the same material as the bench top it’s not really defined as waterfall anymore. Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 3Jul 02, 2018 1:23 pm I depends if you have a large bench top overhang or not? I you have a 900mm bench top with 300mm overhang the waterfalls would be the width of the bench top at 900mm. If you replaced the waterfalls with the door material you end up with a thin easily damaged panel and in my opinion it looks terriable. Normally in this case the panels would be the width of the cabinets at 600mm. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 4Jul 02, 2018 4:49 pm Right, thanks! I was referring to extending end panels to same size as where normal waterfalls would be. Was a bit worried about the chipping of caesarstone at the bottom from vacuuming, so thought this other option might be an alternative as it’d be significantly cheaper to replace! But if it’s odd or ugly, then will stick to normal Caesarstone waterfalls. Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 5Jul 03, 2018 6:26 am One Right, thanks! I was referring to extending end panels to same size as where normal waterfalls would be. Was a bit worried about the chipping of caesarstone at the bottom from vacuuming, so thought this other option might be an alternative as it’d be significantly cheaper to replace! But if it’s odd or ugly, then will stick to normal Caesarstone waterfalls. Yes, understand that. You have double that problem if you extend the panels. They mark and damage more easily than caesarstone and it looks terriable. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 6Jul 03, 2018 6:26 am One Right, thanks! I was referring to extending end panels to same size as where normal waterfalls would be. Was a bit worried about the chipping of caesarstone at the bottom from vacuuming, so thought this other option might be an alternative as it’d be significantly cheaper to replace! But if it’s odd or ugly, then will stick to normal Caesarstone waterfalls. Yes, understand that. You have double that problem if you extend the panels. They mark and damage more easily than caesarstone and it looks terriable. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 7Jul 10, 2018 8:48 am We currently have an island bench with a stone countertop and laminate for the side end panels. After living with it for over a year we have found that it doesn't get damaged easily. We have built a house before with an island bench that had stone waterfall sides and we feel that either design looks good, it just goes down to your personal preference. We are going with the laminate side end panels for the new home that we are building currently. Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 8Jul 19, 2018 1:22 pm reaver We currently have an island bench with a stone countertop and laminate for the side end panels. After living with it for over a year we have found that it doesn't get damaged easily. We have built a house before with an island bench that had stone waterfall sides and we feel that either design looks good, it just goes down to your personal preference. We are going with the laminate side end panels for the new home that we are building currently. Do your laminate panels stick out 300mm like a waterfall does? Normally laminate panels sit level with the back panel and don't protrude like a waterfall does and this is why they don't get damaged. In my experience when a laminate panel is installed with a 300mm overhang like a waterfall the 18mm exposed edge can get damaged. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 9Jul 19, 2018 1:29 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Do your laminate panels stick out 300mm like a waterfall does? What do you mean by this? Doesn’t waterfall just mean that the benchtop material cascades down the side of the island, contiguous with the benchtop, like water falling over a...waterfall? Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 10Jul 19, 2018 2:44 pm arcadelt CuttingEdgeKitchens Do your laminate panels stick out 300mm like a waterfall does? What do you mean by this? Doesn’t waterfall just mean that the benchtop material cascades down the side of the island, contiguous with the benchtop, like water falling over a...waterfall? Yes but most waterfalls also have a 300mm overhang to line up with the bench top overhang so you can sit at it. When you treat a laminate panel in the same way the edge becomes very venerable. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 11Jul 19, 2018 6:02 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Yes but most waterfalls also have a 300mm overhang to line up with the bench top overhang so you can sit at it. When you treat a laminate panel in the same way the edge becomes very venerable. So, a breakfast bar. I understand what you are saying, but that is not the definition of a waterfall end. You can have one without the other, as a breakfast bar overhang can be a cantilever without ends. Frankly, IMHO, unless the top and side material is exactly the same, it is no longer a waterfall end. Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 12Jul 22, 2018 9:59 pm arcadelt CuttingEdgeKitchens Yes but most waterfalls also have a 300mm overhang to line up with the bench top overhang so you can sit at it. When you treat a laminate panel in the same way the edge becomes very venerable. So, a breakfast bar. I understand what you are saying, but that is not the definition of a waterfall end. You can have one without the other, as a breakfast bar overhang can be a cantilever without ends. Frankly, IMHO, unless the top and side material is exactly the same, it is no longer a waterfall end. You'll notice CEK actually calls it a laminated panel, not a waterfall. The OP called it a waterfall when technically what they meant was a laminated or melamine end panel. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 14Jul 23, 2018 10:10 am CuttingEdgeKitchens reaver We currently have an island bench with a stone countertop and laminate for the side end panels. After living with it for over a year we have found that it doesn't get damaged easily. We have built a house before with an island bench that had stone waterfall sides and we feel that either design looks good, it just goes down to your personal preference. We are going with the laminate side end panels for the new home that we are building currently. Do your laminate panels stick out 300mm like a waterfall does? Normally laminate panels sit level with the back panel and don't protrude like a waterfall does and this is why they don't get damaged. In my experience when a laminate panel is installed with a 300mm overhang like a waterfall the 18mm exposed edge can get damaged. Yes, the laminate sides protrude by 300mm. The stone countertop is 40mm and the laminate sides are 40mm as well. Looks good and does not get damaged easily after 1 year living with it. Looks something like this: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 15Jul 23, 2018 11:45 am arcadelt chippy You'll notice CEK actually calls it a laminated panel, not a waterfall. Yeah...ah, actually, no he/she doesn’t. The OP asked "Considering to have the waterfall edge to be the same material as the cabinets (laminate/polyurethane) rather than Caesarstone benchtop. It's not very common. Anyone know some pros and cons?" I needed to workout if the island unit had an overhang as my answer to the question is totally different with and without the overhang. A laminate panel should not be fitted with a 300mm overhang like a waterfall would be done. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 16Jul 23, 2018 11:48 am So that is a standard stone waterfall with a 300mm overhang. If laminate(Laminex) or polyurethane panels were used instead the edges would get easily damaged with the 300mm overhang and I would suggest finishing them flush with the back of the cabinet Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 17Jul 23, 2018 11:55 am CuttingEdgeKitchens I needed to workout if the island unit had an overhang as my answer to the question is totally different with and without the overhang. Yep, I understood what you were trying to determine. The points I have been making are: a. waterfall ends can be fitted irrespective of whether there is a breakfast bar provision or not, and b. it is no longer a waterfall end if the material is not the same as the benchtop. CuttingEdgeKitchens A laminate panel should not be fitted with a 300mm overhang like a waterfall would be done. Except that is exactly what reaver has said he/she has had installed, seemingly without any concern. Re: Waterfall material same as cabinets rather than benchtop 18Jul 23, 2018 12:02 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens So that is a standard stone waterfall with a 300mm overhang. If laminate(Laminex) or polyurethane panels were used instead the edges would get easily damaged with the 300mm overhang and I would suggest finishing them flush with the back of the cabinet No, that is not a stone waterfall. Those side end panels are 40mm laminate. I know because this picture was taken at a place that was for sale last year and it was one of the things that we immediately noticed because we have the same thing at the place we live in now. In my experience it does not get easily damaged with all the vacuuming we do and the kids ride on toys going near/around it. 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