Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Feb 29, 2016 2:02 pm Hi all, My kitchen looks dated and is in need of sprucing up but I wouldn't know how. I am trying to do this with minimal financial outlay. I don't know how to attach pics or set up some online image account so I would be great if people could private message me with their email address and I will send pics. It's a timber kitchen so painting is an option. I just need advice on colour combinations. The previous owner moved the kitchen to the back patio and for some reason kept the outdoor mission brown floor tiles. The photos will explain it all. I just need a starting point. Thanks for any help Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 2Feb 29, 2016 2:21 pm Its really not that hard. I would suggest if you want some help that you should try and post the pictures! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 3Feb 29, 2016 6:32 pm Well; with cutting edge and my help you have a good start. He does nice kitchens, I do cheap ones. Let us try use the forum to give the information, as decent information is difficult to find on the net, and we should try to leave a trail of helpful information for others. PMs dont help anyone else. 'Minimum financial outlay', do you want the cheapest thing possible, or are you a little more serious about giving it some class? You don't have to spend much money at all to make it look more modern with the help of mobs like Ikea and Bunnings. As soon as you get a renovation company involved, you are already moving into classy expensive territory. If you are at all good with a mouse and keyboard: Get your tape measure out and measure from wall to wall all around the area you have to work with. Then get on the Ikea website and start mucking around with their 3D kitchen planner. This gives you a plan and costs of all materials needed if you buy from them. Pretty damn straight forward. Even if you choose not to go Ikea, you can use this planner to see what you can fit in your space. A typical new kitchen and cabinets using their stuff is about 2 grand upwards. If you have less than that to spend, new fronts and benchtop might be the way to go. Now, if you get a company to do this for you from planing to installation, you will spend as much as you would have purchasing the Ikea materials for an entire new kitchen; cabinets and all. For this reason I suggest you do as much as you can yourself if you want to go this option. Can you give a realistic indication of your budget? Can you simply explain what the condition of the existing cabinetry is, and what it is made out of? Finally, do you want to change the layout, or simply change the appearance of the old tired cabinetry. Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 4Mar 06, 2016 1:51 pm Thanks for the advice. I've managed to upload some pictures http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3683/ePNVLp.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img924/6852/CYuCBr.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7881/0kCEJi.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2468/DPk6Zy.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img923/2971/14aSvf.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img921/4716/zrDetp.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img921/9060/Ednp3v.jpg I'd like to keep the cost under 1K Thanks Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 5Mar 06, 2016 7:01 pm The kitchen itself doesn't look too bad. I think changing the floor tiles and covering up the brick wall would make a huge difference. Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 6Mar 06, 2016 9:17 pm Painting that could be a disaster. The timber panels are coated in a clear satin which would really have to be sanded all the way back and re primed if it is to last more than a few years. And then it would have to be painted with a true polyurethane to last more than 10. Id be trying to make that timber look more special. That is for a budget of 1k anyway. How about simply gluing down some large shiny stone tiles with a grey tone to them to compliment the pine. Just lay em straight on top of those tiles witha 2 pack tile glue. I really dislike it when people paint facebrick, but I (and many others) hate red facebrick even more! I think a rollon full cover texture paint might be just the thing. Its DIY and pretty simple. It wont fully cover the mortar lines but it is better than just painting it. Replace those curtains with horizontal blinds. Get a can of 'Dulux duramax spray paint stainless steel' and spray the face plate of that dishwasher and then give it a coat of duramax clear gloss. http://www.dulux.com.au/products/dulux- ... duct=13651 Finally, install a cheap light-strip under the cabinets on the wall to light up the bench area at the back. That would be my plan of attack Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 7Mar 07, 2016 7:32 am Well, I think rebuilder86 is on the right track, but you haven't said if there's kids running around as well, and how often you cook... that can often determine if you can get away with the cheapest finishes! I would actually fill in those mortar lines to the brick; you can get it premixed in a caulking gun tube. Then go over it with the dulux texture paint as rebuilder86 says. I would go a light coffee-ish colour on that, something like Dulux 'raw cotton' half strength. That will tone in with your benches, from what I see on my screen. I would also do the stainless steel paint on the dishwasher. When you say cheap - are you able to spray paint yourself? Do you have the equipment and safety equipment? If you have an air compressor, then you will be able to rig up a sanding unit for the cabinets outside... youtube has some great info. You can even use baking soda to get a nice sanded finish on those doors, that way. I like the baking soda method because you can just wash it into the garden and it harms nothing. The old lacquer ends up powdered and then degrades quickly in sunlight. There are plenty of clearance flooring places around, you can definitely whack down a floating floor or tile over the top. It's not that hard to get tiles off a floor, it just makes an unholy mess...so it depends how far you want to go with the diy. The problem with going over the top is that it can reduce your bench height... not good if your back is already strained by a too low bench. I'm short so I love raising floors. The other thing is the transition to the rest of the floor... are you happy with a ramped flooring cover strip? Do you want a small lip? Are there elderly people likely to trip if the transition isn't smooth? Re the cabinets, you could sand back and go with a marine polyurethane brushed/rollered on, after you 'limewash' the cabinets with a watered down, lighter version of the colour you use on the brick wall. Still showing some grain, then, but the whole effect is lighter and brighter. (Get the paint colour in a sample pot and add some white acrylic poster paint! Then water it down. This is more than good enough for a stain that will be protected by polyurethane. Get the non-yellowing Marine polyurethane. Plenty $$$$ for poly, but will last aaaggges.) I did that in a wood kitchen years ago (20yrs?+-) and the lady who moved in has had no damage to the cabinets yet. I did the 'limewash' with a grey white over timber, as we had more greys in the space. What colours are in that benchtop? Looks like the biscuit and black tones, but I can't tell for sure on the screen. Definitely replace your window treatment! However, wait until everything else is done first so you can more readily imagine what would look best there, and in what colour. The best investment you can make is some colour sample pots! Make up some large boards from scrap wood or buy some masonite or what have you... paint the boards in the colours you think might work and prop them up in the kitchen and hold them against the benches. You can get flooring samples around the place, as well. Definitely go the white knight tile paint... that's the best thing you can do for those splashback tiles, and no more grout scrubbing. It's tintable to any colour you like! First thing... go get some huge paint chips from any hardware and hold them up against your bench and see which tones make the bench look amazing. Go from there. Without coming to actually see the space, it's hard to know, but that's the best advice I can give you if your budget doesn't run to two pack paint. A lot depends on your resources- how handy you/friends/family are, and what tools you have. I hope this helps you! Good luck and all the Best! Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 8Mar 07, 2016 11:04 am Yeh I was going to suggest a whitewash on the cupboards, but I resisted as I weighed up 2 factors, 1. the likelihood of it being done poorly, he sais hes a clueless guy very honest haha 2. the kitchen is in the corner and quite dark and a nautical theme seems odd How much does that mortar in a tube cost? I think he'd use his entire budget just filling the lines. Might as well just render it. Surely some bloke could come in and do a second class job for a carton of beer and 100 bucks. Even if the render is just slapped on, and then painted after a month with the full cover texture paint. I was going to suggest you do a laminate flooring job yourself as well, however 1. this is a kitchen, and laminate doesn't like pooling water 2. those tiles have quite deep grooves in them, a high heel will penetrate a 7mm board, I've seen it with my own eyes. 3. I cant imagine any colour of timber floor complimenting those cupboards if you leave them PINE as they are. Are we giving you any helpful advice? Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 9Mar 08, 2016 6:10 am What's nautical about a limewash? I only suggest Marine grade poly for chemical and water resistance... it's clear over the limewash. Many floating floors are water resistant, especially the heavy duty commercial grade ones, or the bamboo ones with the waxed edge on the clicklock... you can pick up small 'lots' of leftovers at bargain prices. I thought poseidon meant that he was clueless about colours and what physically to do, not about tiling or painting etc... Poseidon? Want to enlighten us about your abilities? I've laid plenty of tiles, and I'm no handy-woman... rebuilder86 is right- tiling is easier in the kitchen, if you don't really have a handle on flooring, or flooring care. I never think about high heels on floors, d'oh! We don't wear shoes in the house, much less high heels! Only indoor slippers or thongs, or barefoot. I would think wearing heels in the kitchen would be dangerous. There are cabinet paints about, however they can be a little costly... first you need to tell us how 'minimum', minimum outlay is... $200? $500? $1000?. Knowing that would help us help you a bit better. Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 10Mar 08, 2016 6:30 am Sorry, I just read that bit about being under 1k... I forgot in the meantime... What did you end up deciding, poseidon, or are you mulling it over? The thinking about it usually takes the longest! Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 11Mar 08, 2016 3:57 pm haha , high heels in the kitchen ARE dangerous, that is a good point. Nautical is the wrong word, coastal is what I should've said. but to me, and every customer i ever had, coastal theme is always theme associated with whitewashing. True about floating floors, I was purely thinking of laminate as that is the budget, which is really bad in a kitchen. Even the waterproof stuff, it still has a join which water seeps through and warps the MDF. Yeh tiling is easy, but if someone were to ask me what I would rather install in any room other than a kitchen, id say laminate because I hate tiling. :p FYI JayaJaya, marine grade polyurethane (always oil based) will yellow indoors and that yellowing will be made a lot more evident over a white! So never recommend marine grade polyurethane clear indoors unless it is on dark or natural timber. The only clear to go for indoors over a limewash/whitewash is a waterbased clear. something like this: http://cabots.com.au/product-detail/144 ... ater-based. Bit of a salesman sounding plug here , but here I go: Waterbased technologies have come a long way, and these days (within the last 8 years) their abrasion and cohesion durability is comparable to a traditional polyurethane clear. That being said, please dont go paint your boat in a waterbased clear. Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 12Mar 10, 2016 7:46 am Haaaaahahahahahaaahhh! I've just been rolling on the floor, laughing and crying, thinking of someone doing their yacht or ketch up with water based poly... *wipes tears from eyes - sides aching* I was just imagining the unholy mess! I had been led to believe that there were non-yellowing oil based poly products around, now... quite possible I was talking through my hat! I was thinking more rustic farm house, than coastal. As long as the wash isn't in a stark white, I think you can get away with it. I've seen plenty farmhouses inland with this finish. Wow, I am on the opposite side of the spectrum... I luuuuurve tiling. I find it very relaxing, and I love the scritchy sound the tile cutter makes The OP seems to have left us to our own devices... wonder what he'll do? Nice to have met you, rebuilder86! Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 13Mar 10, 2016 11:36 am lol, yeh perhaps we scared him off with our suggestions of work!! All oil based (mostly refined petroleum as a solvent) coatings will yellow. Go to Bunnings and look at all the 4l tubs of mineral turps. If they have enough stock and have some that are at least 2 months old you will notice they appear yellowish. This is the same chemical yellowing as appears on a dry film coating, but occurs for a different reason. I wont get into that. If you use a true polyurethane, that is, a 2 pack urethane that hasn't had lots of solids added to it to increase dry film build thickness (which means more solvents needed), a genuine polyurethane, it will not turn yellow. There are not many of them around these days as the trend is to go LOW VOC for the hippies. Dulux only have one and its in their industrial products range, called Durethane. http://www.duluxprotectivecoatings.com. ... _pc410.pdf When I think of whitewash furniture, i think of staying in really bad surfshacks with really bad furniture. Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 14Mar 12, 2016 12:08 pm Hi guys, What i'm thinking now is, the bench top and cupboards remain as is. I will paint the splashback tiles. Appliances will be replaced with stainless steel ones. However, no matter what i do, if those floor tiles remain it will detract from anything I do. You guys are right the grout line are quite deep. What would be the cheapest option that would also last? (I do know that's an oxymoron) Can I gyprock straight onto brick?? Thanks for all your helpful advice Re: Typical clueless guy - kitchen makeover 15Mar 15, 2016 5:07 pm you can gyprock straight onto brick, i do it all the time. Its not as cheap as it would look at first research though. Bunnings sells the gyprock masonry adhesive. The adhesive must be applied in 600mm apart blobs and masonry nails should then be used between those bobs, and never nailed in at the blobs. You will need corner beading, flushing tape / internal cornering tape, jointing compound plus finishing compound, plastering tools, adhesive, nails and gap filler. as for the floor, tile it. Its going to cost about the same as laminate but will be a little more time and effort and will last forever so long as it is done with care. T To tile over the tiles you will need to cut some adhesion lines across the existing tiles with an angle grinder, just scratching the surface will do. Be sure to use a 2 pack tile glue designed for tiling over tiles. Dunlop make a good one in a bucket. its like milk mixed with flour and sticks like nothing in this world. Go for tiles that are no bigger than 300mm in any direction. No. It's not original. 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