Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Jul 13, 2015 3:29 pm Looking for pros and cons to handleless kitchen draws and cupboards - I love the look but wonder if practicality suffers? Would you recommend push to open or finger pulls? Any thoughts and advice welcome!! Thanks K. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 2Jul 13, 2015 9:04 pm As a Cabinet Maker I have experienced both and to be honest, finger pull is the way to go. Practicality does not suffer, if anything it's more practical. More and more kitchens are going with this option. Pro's - Great if you have to worry about children. - Look great! especially with the shark nose profile as the handle. - Saves cost of handles. - Don't have to worry about getting caught on a handle etc. - You won't accidentally bump the door and open it. (This will get very annoying!) Con's - None! I have built and installed a lot of kitchens where customers have opted for push open doors and have regretted it and payed for an alternate hand-less option costing them money. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 3Jul 14, 2015 6:16 am I'm interested in hearing what people think too. I really want handleless. The only thing I've picked up is to achieve the shark nose profile, apparently this can only be done in polyurethane and not laminex/polytec. Just means I'll have to rethink my colour scheme (and budget!) M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 4Jul 14, 2015 7:16 am I don't like push-to-open doors. Maybe the ones these days are better, but I have too many memories over the years of doors that are just fiddly to open. I think with all these renovation reality dramas on television people are tending to focus too much on visual form in and of itself, rather than letting form be be driven by function. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 5Jul 14, 2015 8:51 am Great tips thank you!! I will have to look into the finger pull options. And I totally appreciate what you are saying about the bumping the draws open!! Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 6Jul 14, 2015 3:45 pm MASSIVE CON BELOW THAT NO ONE TELLS YOU ABOUT!! All finger pull kitchen these days are built with a 50mm rail behind the top edge of all drawer fronts. The top edge of the drawer is cut on 45 degrees and a 20-25mm gap is left for your fingers. YOU LOOSE 50mm of space per drawer!! S if you have a bank of 3 drawers you loose 150mm in height!! Most bottom drawers with finger pull you cannot double stack pots!! Finger pull looks great and can work in a large kitchen but if you tight on space and like drawers I wouldn't do it. Personally I like handles on the cabinets below bench and push to open above. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 7Jul 14, 2015 3:47 pm Choppy182 Con's - None! What about loosing 50mm of storage height in all drawers. Not being able to double stack pots in your two large drawers in a bank of 3 All the finger prints and marks left on the fronts. Do get me wrong I like finger pull/sharknose but there are some big cons with them! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 8Jul 14, 2015 5:01 pm I have the finger pull for the draws below the bench top and 'push to open' on the cupboard above my ovens and fridge. Love the finger pull I think it would be a nuisance with the 'push to open' for all. Just my opinion. Regarding the height issue- haven't experienced a problem. I have pots stacked in draw with no dramas. Maybe my pots are small. Have fun with designing your kitchen Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 9Jul 14, 2015 6:15 pm MrsJM I'm interested in hearing what people think too. I really want handleless. The only thing I've picked up is to achieve the shark nose profile, apparently this can only be done in polyurethane and not laminex/polytec. Just means I'll have to rethink my colour scheme (and budget!) That is not true. Absolutely you can have shark nose on Laminex and Polytec board. It's a matter of cutting the 45 degree profile on a panel saw then applying edge tape manually. Kitchen manufacturers should know how to do this! I know we do where I work. CuttingEdgeKitchens Choppy182 Con's - None! What about loosing 50mm of storage height in all drawers. Not being able to double stack pots in your two large drawers in a bank of 3 All the finger prints and marks left on the fronts. Do get me wrong I like finger pull/sharknose but there are some big cons with them! 50mm is not much, if it's an issue, simple increase cabinet heights and drawer depths and go with a lower than normal kick height. You'll have the same problem on handles with fingerprints and let's be frank doors will always have them, it can be a messy place Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 10Jul 14, 2015 6:49 pm We have sharknose on our laminate entertainment unit in the kids play unit. We love our handless kitchen, makes cleaning the drawer fronts so much easier as you don't have to wipe around handles. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 11Jul 14, 2015 11:18 pm MrsJM The only thing I've picked up is to achieve the shark nose profile, apparently this can only be done in polyurethane and not laminex/polytec. Just means I'll have to rethink my colour scheme (and budget!) Not true. Ploytec now do shark nose on their non painted doors. It isn't offered in their full range, but quite a few non the less. http://www.polytec.com.au/products/laun ... rs-panels/ Also as a poster above said it can be done by cabinet makers too. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 13Jul 15, 2015 6:48 am [quote="Choppy182"][quote="MrsJM"] 50mm is not much, if it's an issue, simple increase cabinet heights and drawer depths and go with a lower than normal kick height. You'll have the same problem on handles with fingerprints and let's be frank doors will always have them, it can be a messy place /quote] Well its a deal breaker for 60-70% of my customers! When I actually open one of there existing drawers and show them the depth if it were sharknose they are blown away!! Remember its 50mm per drawer, so in a bank of 3 that's 150mm in height you are loosing, this CANNOT be made up by increasing bench height and lowering the kick. It would make the kitchen look stupid!! You don't actually have the same problem with handles, with a handle your dirty fingers tend to leave the marks on the back of the handle rather than on the polyurethane. The handles stand up to repeated cleaning far better than poly fronts as well! As I have already stated don't get me wrong I like sharknose handles but if you have a small to medium kitchen or are tight on space then it can be an issue! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 14Jul 15, 2015 7:50 am AJW MrsJM The only thing I've picked up is to achieve the shark nose profile, apparently this can only be done in polyurethane and not laminex/polytec. Just means I'll have to rethink my colour scheme (and budget!) Not true. Ploytec now do shark nose on their non painted doors. It isn't offered in their full range, but quite a few non the less. http://www.polytec.com.au/products/laun ... rs-panels/ Also as a poster above said it can be done by cabinet makers too. That's good news then! Yet another incorrect answer provided to me by head office of the company we have received a tender from... (Who I will no longer day 'we are building with' due to all of their pushback and incorrect information!) M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 15Jul 15, 2015 3:59 pm Hi Ktotherose, I have just installed my own kitchen and gone all drawers throughout the whole kitchen. Along with the drawers the wall cabinets have servo drive. I just love the look of having no handles and everything opens with the touch of the drawer or door. It costs a little more, but in the end I think it is well worth it. With 25 years kitchen experience and a passion for what I do, I have joined this forum to offer advice or at least my opinion on all things relevant to kitchens. I was a cabinetmaker by trade and am now a senior manager of a kitchen company. Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 16Jul 15, 2015 4:12 pm Kitchenpro Hi Ktotherose, I have just installed my own kitchen and gone all drawers throughout the whole kitchen. Along with the drawers the wall cabinets have servo drive. I just love the look of having no handles and everything opens with the touch of the drawer or door. It costs a little more, but in the end I think it is well worth it. Servo drive is a great option! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 18Jul 15, 2015 7:53 pm Thanks so much for all your advise! Its been great. Since we are on the topic... does anyone have any other things for me to consider when designing the kitchen any must haves/don't do's??
Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 19Jul 15, 2015 8:49 pm ktotherose Thanks so much for all your advise! Its been great. Since we are on the topic... does anyone have any other things for me to consider when designing the kitchen any must haves/done do's?? Depth of fridge cavity. Our builder didn't even think of it and our plans came back with a 700mm deep fridge cavity. Allowing for one of the bigger double door fridges plus water behind, we increased our depth to 96cm (which may still not be enough) or we would have had massive overhang M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Handleless Kitchens - Advice 20Jul 15, 2015 9:21 pm Dont forget that fridges have to hang their doors outside the recess in order to open fully. Even some of the largest french door fridges that are 960 deep only need a recess of 800 or the doors wont open fully. Theres no point making the recess to deep as the fridge cant be pushed all the way back and ends up sticking out even further. I'd typically put the power point and water above the height of the fridge behind the fridge over head so they dont get in the way. The other option is in an adjoining cupboard with a hole through the side of the fridge recess. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 "is it exempt or do I need to get permission from council" Call your Council and ask them 1 1581 Versaloc is a mortarless besser block system that still needs a properly engineered footing. If you just do a 400x200 footing it will fail in time. At 17m long you need it… 1 18109 Hi All, I engaged a tradie to install concrete retaining wall 600-800mm high over 32 meters in Victoria. Sleepers are 200*75*2000 mm installed over 17 steel posts. I… 0 6917 |