Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 21Apr 24, 2015 10:47 am If you want high quality soft close drawers you need to ask for double sided drawers. These are the drawers that have the concealed quad ball bearing runners. They are far more stable and look much more substantial. These runners or slides can also be fitted to timber drawer boxes. The single sided drawers (as discussed above) can be made soft close however they are still just captive roller runners, meaning they are held by 2 simple nylon runners. They feel lightweight and aren't very stable particularly once they start to get larger. In all honesty I'm amazed that people still offer these as an option in a kitchen. The only time I would consider using them is in wardrobe fit out. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 23May 14, 2015 11:59 pm Harn are an Asian manufacturer that make some good product. I think they had or have a relationship with Grass. I haven't used the triomax system but it looks OK. Its got all the ingredients for a good quality drawer system. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 24May 15, 2015 1:13 am I have been to there distributor in Singapore because its close to where i live and the stuff is good. Yes they are OEM for Grass. I would look at what the cost diff is between Harn and Blum. Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 25May 15, 2015 7:54 am Crazyk Are the Triomax Harns top of the range? Top of the range in Harn or across all manufacturers?? Blum or Hettich are better than Harn! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 27May 15, 2015 10:40 am It's Harn's double wall draw system, so yes, it is their top of range. As I mentioned it does have all the ingredients you want to look for in a draw system. There are a number of different manufacturers of soft close drawer systems nowadays. Some are branded and some are no name generic hardware. Personally I stick with Blum and Hettich as I know they stand behind their products. I think Harn is a mid tier manufacturer. Maybe not at the level of the European suppliers but better than the generic/no name hardware kicking around. Many people wouldn't know the difference between all the hardware types around. They simply open the drawer and close it... If it's soft close and looks neat then their happy. That's why some cabinet makers start using the cheaper hardware, they can still charge the same for "soft close" and the average person is happy. It's not until several years down the track when things fail that it becomes an issue. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 29May 15, 2015 5:33 pm Hi crazy. Are they using "krome"? That's one of the generic type of drawer systems. I'm sure I've seen them branded as krome and with no name. They seem to function ok, I'd just be concerned with their longevity. 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For robes I had no issue with them. I've never used the Harn triomax, just their old roller runners many years ago. I would suspect that the Harn hardware may be of a slightly higher quality. Having said that another cabinet maker I know uses the Krome drawers all the time and he swears by them. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 34Dec 06, 2023 10:49 am chippy It's Harn's double wall draw system, so yes, it is their top of range. As I mentioned it does have all the ingredients you want to look for in a draw system. There are a number of different manufacturers of soft close drawer systems nowadays. Some are branded and some are no name generic hardware. Personally I stick with Blum and Hettich as I know they stand behind their products. I think Harn is a mid tier manufacturer. Maybe not at the level of the European suppliers but better than the generic/no name hardware kicking around. Many people wouldn't know the difference between all the hardware types around. They simply open the drawer and close it... If it's soft close and looks neat then their happy. That's why some cabinet makers start using the cheaper hardware, they can still charge the same for "soft close" and the average person is happy. It's not until several years down the track when things fail that it becomes an issue. So far 10 of my harn triomax soft close mechanisms have failed due to the hopeless design of the tiny 5 cent white plastic ""shuttle"" part. Parts are unavailable from Harn - so the only option is to completely resize the draws? Hopeless. There is no way I will ever use any Harn product ever again. Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 35Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm Kt44 chippy It's Harn's double wall draw system, so yes, it is their top of range. As I mentioned it does have all the ingredients you want to look for in a draw system. There are a number of different manufacturers of soft close drawer systems nowadays. Some are branded and some are no name generic hardware. Personally I stick with Blum and Hettich as I know they stand behind their products. I think Harn is a mid tier manufacturer. Maybe not at the level of the European suppliers but better than the generic/no name hardware kicking around. Many people wouldn't know the difference between all the hardware types around. They simply open the drawer and close it... If it's soft close and looks neat then their happy. That's why some cabinet makers start using the cheaper hardware, they can still charge the same for "soft close" and the average person is happy. It's not until several years down the track when things fail that it becomes an issue. So far 10 of my harn triomax soft close mechanisms have failed due to the hopeless design of the tiny 5 cent white plastic ""shuttle"" part. Parts are unavailable from Harn - so the only option is to completely resize the draws? Hopeless. There is no way I will ever use any Harn product ever again. let me guess, youve got a competing product we'll no doubt see a link to in the next couple of days just pop up on the forum rofl Re: Soft Close Drawers - are they worth it? 36Dec 06, 2023 3:52 pm Kt44 chippy It's Harn's double wall draw system, so yes, it is their top of range. As I mentioned it does have all the ingredients you want to look for in a draw system. There are a number of different manufacturers of soft close drawer systems nowadays. Some are branded and some are no name generic hardware. Personally I stick with Blum and Hettich as I know they stand behind their products. I think Harn is a mid tier manufacturer. Maybe not at the level of the European suppliers but better than the generic/no name hardware kicking around. Many people wouldn't know the difference between all the hardware types around. They simply open the drawer and close it... If it's soft close and looks neat then their happy. That's why some cabinet makers start using the cheaper hardware, they can still charge the same for "soft close" and the average person is happy. It's not until several years down the track when things fail that it becomes an issue. So far 10 of my harn triomax soft close mechanisms have failed due to the hopeless design of the tiny 5 cent white plastic ""shuttle"" part. Parts are unavailable from Harn - so the only option is to completely resize the draws? Hopeless. There is no way I will ever use any Harn product ever again. As mentioned above, I don't use Harn drawers because I have other options that I prefer to use. Harn still sells triomax drawers so if you have an issue (not exactly sure what part you are referring to) you can just buy new runners and swap them out. You can't buy individual parts out of a runner but that is the same with any brand. According to the Harn website you can get the runners in a 30kg or 60kg version. If they are in the kitchen on any drawer over a cutlery size get the 60kg version, it will be more robust. It's far easier and cheaper to replace the runners than installing a whole new drawer system. And then there is no need to "resize" anything. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 I've dug some footings to embed a post anchor into. My holes are around 450mm deep which I'll put a 200mm stirrup into. The bottom of these holes seem firm enough. … 0 3584 Pulse is correct. It's the trap that takes up space. 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