Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 2Aug 15, 2014 9:53 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 5Aug 16, 2014 3:35 pm Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 7Aug 16, 2014 5:41 pm Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 8Aug 16, 2014 5:43 pm Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 11Aug 17, 2014 12:09 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 12Aug 17, 2014 8:27 am Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 13Aug 17, 2014 8:35 am Quality is like buying oats. If you want good,fresh oats,you'll pay a fair price. However,if you can be satisfied with the oats that have already been through the horse, that comes a little cheaper. Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 14Aug 17, 2014 10:43 am Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 15Aug 17, 2014 10:52 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 16Aug 17, 2014 1:44 pm Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 17Aug 18, 2014 6:51 pm Hi all Thanks so much for the information, it has all been very useful. To answer some of the questions, the photos show the drawers with the plastic wrap still on them. I'm pretty sure its gloss malamite finish. With regards to the appliances, yes the kitchen maker was given the details (ie. make and model) of the stove in the very early stages of the kitchen production. Their argument is that they drew the kitchen to the size of the kitchen capentry and its our fault for chosing appliances that are too "large". However given they knew the size of the stove in the early days, our argument is that they (being the experts in making kitchens) should have consulted with my in-laws to advise that there wouldn't be enough room on that size benchtop for that size stove. As it is now, the distance between the element and the wall is 70mm. Once the splashback is installed, it will reduce to about 50-60mm, far less than the 200mm regulations (which we are a bit confused on as we're not sure how enforceable they are). Had they done that, my inlaws could have easily amended the capentry to extend the wall to have a large size benchtop. At that stage the plaster hadn't been installed. To clarify, the stove isn't unusually large, in fact it is a standard size. The same issue has occured with the two sinks, whereby because of the way they have designed the kitchen and size of the benchtops, there is no room for the taps (they are designed to sit on the benchtop, in between the sink and splashback). The greater disappointment here is that on the one hand they are arguing that the sinks are too large, but on the other hand admit that the sinks were delivered on the day they cut the caesarstone. Our argument - why on earth cut the caesarstone when you can clearly see its not going to work? Again at that point they could have picked up the phone to discuss the issue and potential ways to resolve it, rather than proceeding with cutting the caesarstone. All of these issues have been raised with the kitchen guys directly but they refuse to take any responsibility and are demanding more payments before finishing the job (there are other outstanding things they need to deliver and install). It is worth mentioning that my parents ordered and paid for caesarstone, and on the day the benchtops were delivered, they noticed the colour was wrong. when they investigated further, they realised it was not caesarstone at all, rather quartz. The third party who delivered teh benchtops said the kicthen guys initially sought a quote for caesarstone, then quartz and said to proceed with quartz. When my in-laws raised it with the kitchen guys, they admitted they had to "cut costs". Needless to say, my in-laws have lost faith that are going to have this resolved any time soon. One option is to go through consumer affairs. Has anyone got any other suggestions? Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 19Aug 18, 2014 8:06 pm Is this job through a builder or have you bought the kitchen directly off the cabinetmaker? If you bought via a builder he should have warranty insurance. If you have bought it directly off a cabinetmaker they should by law (in victora, could vary state to state) be a restricted builder. Meaning they can't officially do work over $5000 without a contract and offer warranty insurance. Contact the kitchen association in your state to get a better advice. If the cabinetmaker is not registered he wont want to risk being taken to VCAT (or your states equivilant) without a proper contract in place which serves to also protect you. If he is not a registered builder he cant offer the required contract. In Victoria it costs$30-$40 to take somone to VCAT. So its worth the excercise in your position. We are not talking about a couple hundred dollar issue here, this is a huge issue you should no turn a blind eye to. Infact i cant think of a solution other than new benchtops as the minimum, thats with you compromising. The cabinets should really be deep enough. Others may have better news but i feel sorry for you, unless you bought from a back yarder, in which case, sorry. Re: Do Handle-less Drawers Sit Flush as Standard? 20Aug 19, 2014 12:34 am The front set backs look too big on both of them. The sink almost looks like they marked the cut out on the wrong side of the template. The margin at the back should be at the front. The AEG cook top has an overall depth of 510mm and a cutout of 480mm. That means there should only be a 45mm setback on the front edge (that would be 60mm to the cut out). This would give you a centred cook top. The 200mm you mentioned between the burner and rear wall can be worked around. What sort of splashback are they having? If the distance is less than 200mm you just need to make sure that there is non flammable product behind glass/metal to a height of 150mm. If its brick behind your fine. Personally I think both of those products should fit on a 600mm bench. For what ever reason the cabinet maker has completely stuffed up the tops and cutouts, maybe trying to allow for leaving to much setback on the doors and drawers. I still can't understand how the stonemason didn't pick up the problem when they picked up the templates and at least check before going ahead. One thing is for sure, its not your problem. The cabinet maker is at fault. He knew what appliances you had chosen and they engaged the stonemason so the fault is completely there's. From what you have said about the change in stone I'd say your dealing with a less than honest sort of person. Let us know how it works out. 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