Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Aug 11, 2014 11:12 am Hey guys, I'm really struggling to come up with some good ideas for our new kitchen. I've done a lot of searching and looking at other peoples kitchens but I'm still coming up with blanks on how to best utilise the area we have. My missus said she definitely wants an island bench, 900mm free standing stove and a dishwasher, but that's all I can get out of her. As I'm not exactly the greatest in the design department, I was wondering if any of you kind people might be able to point me in the right direction. Ive attached (hopefully it worked!) some plans of the area. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Thanks in advance, David Re: Kitchen layout troubles 3Aug 11, 2014 3:24 pm Have you thought about a pantry?? Keeping food in overheads and base cabinets is a pain! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Kitchen layout troubles 4Aug 11, 2014 6:15 pm your island is 1200x2400. Does that mean she wants drawer cabinets on both sides? Do you need any seating space at the island? I will make a drawing but need some more info. What is the precise position of the windows/doors, height and width? How wide will the fridge be? What kind of sink does your wife wants, single, 1 1/2 or double? Underbench, flush or on top? For the first 2 options you need a stone benchtop. How high do you want the benchtop to be? Stone or laminate? There are 3 things which I wanted in my kitchen. A XXL dishwasher, the dishwasher built in a bit higher (1 drawer higher makes already a difference) and a bin drawer under the kitchen bench. Re: Kitchen layout troubles 5Aug 11, 2014 11:42 pm without waiting for your reply I have put a plan together. I couldn't quite figure out the size and location of the windows, so there is some guesswork. The base carcasses are 780mm high, divided into max 6 drawers (1-1-1-1-1-1) each 130mm high. 3-3 means 2 drawers each 390mm high. 1-1-2-2 means 4 drawers, 130/130/260/260mm 2-2-2 means 3 drawers, 260/260/260mm This example kitchen only works with handles. The Island, 2400 x 1200mm the side facing has the window side panel 3 x 800mm, 1-1-2-2 drawers each side panel back of island side panel 3 x 800mm, 2-2-2 drawers each side panel Cabinets at window wall going clockwise from left side panel 900mm fridge SBS, above cabinet side panel 2120mm tall cabinet, with drawer at bottom, on top XXL dishwasher, microwave behind flip door side panel base cabinets 800mm sink cabinet with 2 doors, the sink on the right. 400mm, 3-3 for bin in top drawer (under bench) or 4-2, that the drawer line remains the same 800mm, 1-1-2-2 dead corner wall on the right from top 600mm, 1-1-2-2 side panel cooker side panel 300mm, 1-5, below top drawer space for oven trays side panel 2120mm high cabinet with 6 internal drawers and shelves (example) for provisions 2120mm high cabinet with 6 internal drawers and shelves (example) for provisions side panel hope I could help Evelin Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Kitchen layout troubles 6Aug 12, 2014 9:06 am Looks like a much better design Evelin! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Kitchen layout troubles 7Aug 12, 2014 9:44 am Wow Evelin, wish my builder was as efficient as you...... Re: Kitchen layout troubles 8Aug 12, 2014 10:01 am thanks CEK. However, looking at David's plan again, there is not enough spice for the fridge and the dishwasher cabinet. But at least the fridge should be at that end near the dining table and the outdoors. So, he might not be able to have the dishwasher sitting higher. But to me this are all conveniences that should be incorporated in a kitchen were possible. At the moment I'm house sitting again in a very small kitchen which is not convenient at all. To get to the bin I have to open the door under the sink and pull out a bin a the bottom of the cabinet. Pain the a<?>**. When I want to empty the dishwasher I can't get to the wall cabinets and have to put everything on the benchtop first. Then there is that stupid pull-out tall pantry cabinet (don't know how you call it here), which doesn't come out completely anymore, it's difficult to find something and to get it out. On top of it, why do I have to pull out a whole 2300mm or so tall cabinet (400mm width) just to get a glass of jam? And then those "magic" corner cabinets. Half of it comes out the rest stays inside. Bloody hell how do I get something out from there? down on my knees? They are expensive too. However there is a better version on the market nowadays, where the whole lot comes out, example Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ . But, with a proper kitchen design it all fits into a 600mm wide drawer cabinet. One of those cabinet doors doesn't open properly anymore. You have to lift up the door with your foot first and then pull. How to fix it? well, you need somebody to come who knows how to do it. It's not a diy job. Stupid. And worst of all, it's a handless kitchen with sharknose. You need 2 hands to open a drawer and your finger prints are all over, every day, all the time. Blimey me. If handless then push to open or handle bars on top of the door. If handles then those which have no sharp corners and that are big enough that a bloke gets his fingers through. Re: Kitchen layout troubles 9Aug 12, 2014 10:24 am @ AussieMark I participate in a very large German kitchen forum, which is run rather professionally. People put up their house plans and a number of admins and people like me make designs and give advice. The recommendations are also a lot about appliances in particular rangehoods. On that forum are kitchen designers too but the majority of people give their advice from experience, what works what not. The forum is a different league than the homeone forum. It is very structured. If you want a design, and everyday people send in their house plans, you need to fill in a check list. Here they ask for instance the height of the person who mainly works in the kitchen (to establish the most suitable benchtop height), width of cooker, fridge, sink, ovens, what sort of rangehood and so forth. You also have to supply at least a kitchen plan with ALL the measurements (doors, windows) but we also ask for a house plan to see the "walkways" to the kitchen. In Germany you have very large kitchen manufacturers with set cabinet heights and width. In the forum we have a list were you see the exact inside drawer measurements for each manufacturer. We have a lot of information about the plus and minus of corner cabinets and many other information. But the biggest difference to this forum is, that you can put up photos directly from your computer and that most use a kitchen design software from one kitchen manufacturer. As you saw my pictures above, we would additionally put up the data files for the plan so anybody else can download them and play around if they have the software installed. At the end we have a page where people can put up their finished kitchen with pictures and information, again a form has to be filled in (manufacturer, model, size of kitchen, appliances and their brand, etc) Re: Kitchen layout troubles 10Aug 12, 2014 11:20 am Yes I can see the advantages of such an approach. Especially when I am trying to plan and communicate via email as I live overseas. Can you PM me the forum you are referring to. Cheers Mark Re: Kitchen layout troubles 11Aug 12, 2014 12:47 pm AussieMark Yes I can see the advantages of such an approach. Especially when I am trying to plan and communicate via email as I live overseas. Can you PM me the forum you are referring to. Cheers Mark Is it an English forum? If it is, can I please get a PM of the forum as well? Re: Kitchen layout troubles 12Aug 12, 2014 1:01 pm the forum is in German. You might have to sign register to see the pictures. http://www.kuechen-forum.de/forum/kateg ... lanung.52/ this page goes direct to the kitchen planning section. however the software is in English too, I use the English version. It doesn't work with Mac and needs a little tweak with windows 8. this is the latest version http://www.alno.us/alnosys3/156.0.en.html, click at the bottom left, next page except licence. Because this is an US version, I'm not sure if you can choose metric but i think it should be in metric. let me know if it works Re: Kitchen layout troubles 13Aug 12, 2014 3:03 pm Wow! Thanks Evelin! To answer some of your questions Island bench - drawer cabinet/dishwasher on one side with seating space on the other (also maybe move the sink to the island bench) Bifold window is 1200h x 1800w Bifold door is 2400h x 3400w Not too sure on exact location measurements of the window and door, but they can pretty much go anywhere between the 3 steel posts on that back wall. Fridge is 894w x 1759h x 718d Sink - 1 1/2 or double under mount. Maybe 900mm high bench tops, caesarstone or similar. Re: Kitchen layout troubles 14Aug 12, 2014 4:08 pm The window fits perfectly between the high dishwasher/microwave cabinet and the wall. Ideally the benchtop should run into the window. I made the benchtop on that side already 5cm deeper plus 5cm into the window. It makes a huge difference. why would you want to have the dishwasher on the island, sink along the wall? doesn't make sense. You have to make a 180 degree turn to get to the dishwasher from the sink. Plus all the water on the floor? Island. I don't understand why people like to sit along a sink with dirty dishes or a cooker surrounded by oil? You have all the space in the world in your kitchen to "hide' the ugly side of a kitchen and have a nice clean island to spread out things. Kids could do their homework there. The island is now 1m deep. I think you can have an overhang of 40cm without support but CEK should know better. Bench height 90cm. How tall is the person who mainly works in the kitchen? We had that discussion on the forum before. If somebody is 1.80m tall, he/she cannot have a bench height of 90cm, the person will have endless back pain. In your case the person should try it out for a few days at home. Either with an ironing board or staking cutting boards. When you have a stone benchtop with undermount sink, you don't really need a drainer. A drainer is an ugly thing that needs scrubbing. With a stone benchtop you just wipe the water into the sink, bloody ease. Plus you can use the benchspace as normal. For a kitchen tap I would suggest one that pulls out and has a spray function. When choosing a sink, think of ceramics or granite coating, eg Blanco Subline http://www.blanco-australia.com/product ... E700ULevel. Why? They look much "cleaner" than stainless steal, easy to maintain. Cost a bit more initially but worth every penny. Abbey/Franke has similar sinks but i like the Blanco design. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Kitchen layout troubles 15Aug 12, 2014 7:32 pm Thanks Evelin. I was thinking if we had the dishwasher in the island the sink would also be in the island bench..... Wasn't too sure with the bench height, was just throwing a number out there. What is the ideal bench height? My wife is 5 foot 2 and I'm 5 foot 11. The bifold window will be used as a servery to the alfresco area. It actually has a servery bar on the outside. Would the sink get in the way if it was in front of bifold servery? If that even makes sense. That sketch up looks really good by the way! Cheers, David Re: Kitchen layout troubles 16Aug 12, 2014 8:39 pm What about swapping the dining and kitchen around? That way you'd get a smoother/straight flow from living-dining-alfresco. You could then have a U-shaped kitchen with an island in the middle. Your fridge and pantry can go along the wall next to the stairs. That would then leave you more bench space along both external walls to locate the stovetop and sink etc. [sneakersss] Re: Kitchen layout troubles 17Aug 12, 2014 9:40 pm Sneakers idea would certainly be my preferred option. That way the kitchen is tucked into its own area and you have a nice uninterrupted flow and view straight through the house, living, dining and then out the bi-folds to your patio. I know you have the stair winders that will give you a dropped ceiling but you can design a very nice kitchen, even using that as a feature. If your wife is 5'2" I'd say a 900 bench will be fine. If your going to keep your original position then I'd try and keep the wall that backs onto the patio as clear as possible. I think with the fridge on that wall would detract from the aesthetics of the view through the house. Just a simple bench and maybe an overhead would be all I'd want along there to keep it feeling light and open. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Kitchen layout troubles 18Aug 12, 2014 9:53 pm I just lost my text. David, when your wife is 157-158cm tall, you most probably cannot go higher than 89cm benchtop. I would go only for a 20mm think stonebench. For you, 89cm is a problem unless your wife is the chef and only chef and you only come to pick up dinner . Some people decide on two working areas with 2 different heights. At the window site, starting from left SBS side panel 3 x 80, each 2 drawers and 2 pullouts the rest is the same Island, viewed from the window side panel 60 - dishwasher 60 - sink cabinet 40 - for bin under benchtop, 2 equal pullouts 80 - 2 drawers, 2 pullouts side panel I have difficulties to get the pics up. got them now. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ You never have a fridge against wall as you’ve drawn. The doors can’t open past 90 degrees and it’s difficult and maybe impossible to remove drawers 2 15568 Hi, We're building a double-storey in Perth and I'm undecided with the kitchen sink situation. I'm set on having the main sink with dishwasher in the scullery - and… 0 20867 Thanks for the suggestion. The space between shower and sinks was too tight. 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