Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 22Jun 14, 2014 11:31 am Steph23 We have been quoted $1139. I think it's a ridiculous price but I'm set on having it as I hate an exposed sink and messy kitchen. Whether we have it now or add it after is another question - are we able to add this in after handover and how much will it cost? Any help would be appreciated. It can be easily fitted after handover and doesn't have to be made by the same company that installed the kitchen. It would just be silicone down to the stone. Price - this is dependant on the material used. If its fully laminated then it could easily cost around $900 - $1100 as there is a lot of labour in it. If you use a material that's available in the thickness you want and only requires a PVC edge then it could be a lot cheaper. 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If find the public are completely out of touch with how much small one off custom pieces cost to build! It has to be profitable for a company to bother making it. When I build custom vanities I cant even come close to the price that you can buy them off the shelf for! Mass produced usually equals cheap and nasty. Custom made usually equals more expensive and far better quality! Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 26Jun 16, 2014 2:35 pm Have you looked at making the kitchen a U shape ? I noticed you have 1590mm between benches that is a big gap for a straight run kitchen. I would personally put pantry next to fridge, m/wave up into cabinet next to that and move the cooktop around to the family room wall. Even with a 900mm oven it still allows for normal size corner cabinets, it will create you with much much more bench area. Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 27Jun 16, 2014 3:39 pm Crazyk Serious? I know everyone needs to make a living but what does a length of laminate cost. That top doesn't look like a high gloss or anything A sheet of laminate is a minimum size of 1200x2400 but sometimes you can only get a 1200x3600 and costs over $90sqm! So a sheet of laminate costs from $260 upwards!(I have paid over $600 for a sheet of laminate) You then need to buy a sheet of 33mm chipboard to glue it to. Again 1200x2400 which costs around $120. You then need to factor in contact glue and a lot of labour!! Sorry I don't mean to offend but unfortunately you really don't have any idea what is involved in building this in laminate!!! It would take around 4 hours to make! If the thickness was available in prefinished melamine it would only take an hour or so to build and cost less for the materials!! 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Laminate $260minimum 33mm Particle board $120 Glue/Screws $10 Labour 4hours@$120 $480 Installation after stone is installed $120 (has to be a separate trip) GST Total $1089 so very close to what was quoted!! I am not sure if you understand just how much work there is contact gluing the laminate to the 33mm then trim it up and hand finishing with a file!! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Kitchen design - Raised Servery 31Jun 16, 2014 5:01 pm $120/hr holy geez. No offense to you but that ridiculous. No wonder my numbers weren't close to yours. I manage a factory and know for a fact that if our charge out rates were that high we would all be out of a job. Award rates for unskilled are around $19/hr ... Get someone diploma qualified working in the factory and your heading toward 25-30/hr Getting back to the design, why would you use 33mm for a box like that? Bit of an overkill. It's not a Benchtop that has to be self supporting. I doubt that the one in the pic is 33mm. More like 19mm Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 32Jun 16, 2014 5:33 pm Crazyk $120/hr holy geez. No offense to you but that ridiculous. No wonder my numbers weren't close to yours. I manage a factory and know for a fact that if our charge out rates were that high we would all be out of a job. Award rates for unskilled are around $19/hr ... Get someone diploma qualified working in the factory and your heading toward 25-30/hr Getting back to the design, why would you use 33mm for a box like that? Bit of an overkill. It's not a Benchtop that has to be self supporting. I doubt that the one in the pic is 33mm. More like 19mm Are you serious?? A plumber or electrician charges between $60 and $80 an hour and they only need a van and some tools!!! I have to have a factory, office, run two utes, heaps of power and cordless tools and you would hate to hear how much panel saws and CNC machines cost!!! I cant/don't employee unskilled people. If I employee someone at $25-30 an hour it cost a lot more than that. On top of that I have to pay super and workers compensation. The contractors I employ cost me $35 an hour! $120 and hour for a kitchen company is well and truly the going rate if not more!! Its not ridiculous its just how much it costs to do business!!! Unfortunately as I have said the public are way out of touch as to how much things actually cost! Again no offense but this is just the reality. 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Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 34Jun 16, 2014 5:53 pm Crazyk Well that's certainly an eye opener. I just wouldn't think that that is the market rate. You might just find yourself in a niche market which is fantastic. Shop around is all I'm saying because I think it's expensive for a relatively simple "box" Would I be correct in assuming you would glue it to the stone? Unfortunately you are wrong. My prices for kitchens are middle of the road. Some companies are charging $10,000 more for exactly the same thing!! The companies charging less are usually cutting corners!! I have been in the industry for 20years and can tell you that the price quoted is well and truly on the money! Unfortunately because you think its a "relatively simple box" doesn't make it so! You don't understand the process of laminating and how long it takes!!! This is the process, Cut the following from the 33mm, top, ends and back Cut the following from the laminate top x 2, ends x 4, back x 2 and then all the edging pieces. All 20mm oversize You then spray the 33mm and the back side of the laminate with contact glue, wait 4 or so minutes then press them together. Then pick up a trimmer and cut the oversize laminate flush with the 33mm. Turn over and repeat for the other side! Then you have to contact the edge strips on. Again these are oversize but this time you trim them back 1mm oversize and then hand file the edges back until flush with a slight round. Hand filing is not a quick process! The box can now be put together. It then needs to be taken to site after the stone has been installed. Usually the kitchen company doesn't go back at this point as there job(cabinets) is already done! I think you would be shocked if you spent a few hours in a factory watching how long laminating takes. This is why the industry moved away from laminated doors and went to prefinished melamine's with PVC edges! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 35Jun 16, 2014 5:54 pm What you need to understand is that I am giving completely unbiased advice here. I am not doing the job and not making any money from it. I call a spade a spade, if it was expensive then I would be advising the OP of that. Fact is its not for what it is. I always give my customers other material options which will save them money! 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Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 38Jun 16, 2014 7:09 pm Crazyk Yeah that's fair enough an I'm not here to argue. Hell you've given me advice in the past Me neither, just happy to give advice when needed. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 39Jun 17, 2014 8:17 am Hi Steph23, Glad to hear you are happy with the final decision, that previous design was a typical builders kitchen, few cabinets but looked okay. I could have never operated in the original plan. Re: Kitchen design - Raised Servery 40Jun 17, 2014 12:25 pm Splashers Hi Steph23, Glad to hear you are happy with the final decision, that previous design was a typical builders kitchen, few cabinets but looked okay. I could have never operated in the original plan. We originally started off with a much smaller design that perfectly within our budget. Then after 2 months they told us that the council didn't approve the design as it was too small for the large block we had. So we had to go over our loan amount, choose a larger design and fork out $20k. The U shape kitchen was originally in the larger house design but our sale consultant had to take lots of stuff out so that it could fit within our budget. Everything was a big rush as we had to get a plan going before our loan expired. We were so keen to just get the plans moving so we went with it. Only realizing afterwards how stupid our kitchen looked and there was no practicality at all in the design! So prestart we forked out more money and put everything back in! In hindsight I realise how naive we were and have learnt a valuable lesson for the next build. To not be easily influenced and never trust anyone. So a very expensive first home and exhausting experience but I'm just hoping everything works out for the best and there will be no more hiccups when construction starts! Our Bondi Greenwall was impressive from day one with advanced lush plants to provide a wow factor to this recently renovated living area. The boundary was less than 1… 0 15303 Thank you so much for the effort. We will use it to talk with builder. We also had idea of building duplex instead and seeking suggest ions. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=106744 11 13832 Once you know the basics, the rest is easy. Read my post in the thread linked below. viewtopic.php?p=1919271#p1919271 2 19515 |