Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 May 11, 2008 9:16 pm Hello all,
After planning a great WALK IN PANTRY the builder has come back to me to say that it cant be done and has to be as follows Walk in space in pantry 800mm Shelving depth 400mm Length of pantry will be 4.4 m Do you think this would make the walk in space in the pantry too cramped and shelves too narrow for storage.? Is this more like a cupboard?? Anyone happy with their Walk in pantry, what is the size? ( This arrangement will also make my dining 4.4 by 3.1. ( it was originally 4.4 x 3.4) Thank you for your help Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 2May 11, 2008 9:28 pm Raz,
Am I reading this correctly: 400 mm deep shelves and 400 mm pantry walkway that extends for 4.4 m. If this is the situation then I would say that the wlkway is too narrow and the shelve could be reduced to 300 mm. I hate deep pantry shelves since anything not clearly visible gets forgotten (and then thrown out when it is discovered well past its use by date). Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 3May 11, 2008 9:53 pm I may be reading this wrong but a 4.4 metre long pantry......wouldn't it get awfully dark and a bit dingy at the back of the pantry?
Would it be a monty for things starting to grow? I'd a agree with Casa2 if you have 4.4 m of shelf space you could afford to reduce it down to 300 mm deep. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 4May 11, 2008 10:08 pm Hi Casa2 and to_do_list,
Thanks for your replies. The Walk In space is actually 800mm not 400mm. What do you think? This link has the floor plan http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 253zj3.png Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 5May 11, 2008 10:28 pm OK so from the plan you are reducing the o/a width from 1.4 metres to 1.2 metres with 0.4 m shelving.....that seems more in proportion...sorry for the confusion.
That seems workable IMO.....I think you'd need to carefully consider your lighting options (there's no natural light) and whether you could use it as a butlers pantry, so that you can keep the usual accumulation of appliances at bay.....although to get a bench in their may reduce the walkway area too much and may get a bit stuffy if have an appliance going.....hmmm something to ponder trying to envisage the space. Someone may have some plans with usual butlers pantry layouts..... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 6May 11, 2008 10:39 pm Thanks so much for your quick reply to_do_list.
I am thiinking hard about the patnry... Sales consultant has said to me do you really want it?? I am so into the idea of a pantry that I cant give it up. I will consider the lighting carefully and put in a window.. Thanks again Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 7May 11, 2008 11:52 pm Regarding appliances: Perhaps consider putting a bench directly down from the fridge along that pantry wall. It'd be the quickest point to grab things from. With the pantry door open it'd also feel much more like a natural extension of your kitchen bench space. You could even use the same material.
As for the pantry shelves, I'd even consider going 20cm deep. You've got a huge amount of potential shelf space in there and you don't really need the depth - it's not as if you'd be stacking cans and bottles two and three rows deep like a shop. Isn't the beauty of a pantry in part being able to immediately see everything ? That means you want enough room to take in a wide sweep of the shelves rather than having everything right in your face. Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 8May 12, 2008 8:44 am Keep the pantry!!!
You can never have enough storage. Keep your shelf at 300mm, my tupperware containers are 280mm deep and the weet bix box is 220mm deep, and put a bench in the space behind the fridge as cabinfever suggested. you wont refret the extra space to store things. You could line it like this Paula Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 9May 12, 2008 9:34 am I like this plan a lot better Raz, than the last one I saw with the dining at the front near the lounge.
Are they helping you with plan changes or are you having to tell them exactly what you want? I think the pantry is fantastic!! I agree with Cabinfever and Paula about the bench behind the fridge and I also agree that 40cm is too deep, 30cm like Paulas said will be perfect. I also really like what you've done with the powder room. How much did it cost you to add the extra shower? I've just requested a shower to be added to our powder room aswell, haven't got a cost back yet though. So you're having a wall to the lounge opening instead of the wall with squareset arch? Are they building the BBQ bench? Is it ok for it to be under the roof? How wide is your hall at the entry and how wide at the end? We have a similar hall but ours is the same width the whole way to the back. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 10May 12, 2008 10:11 am We have a walk in pantry/butlers' pantry. Ours has a continuation of the bench on the right (when entering from the kitchen) and open shelving to the left. On the standard plan (as shown below) it has the open shelving on both sides.
The bench depth is 700mm, and the open shelving is 350mm, leaving 920mm as the walk/floor space. This is plenty of room - and the shelves are quite deep. Our pantry is only just over 1.8m in length and is very big (in comparison to anything we've had before) so imagine what over 4m will be like!! I'm not sure with the width of yours that it would be practical to have a bench? Also I wouldn't add a window into a pantry as most items kept in a pantry should not be exposed to light (eg. potatoes, etc). As long as there are 2-3 bright lights along the length there should be no problems seeing items. Open shelving to the left - Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Bench to the right - Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Ray. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Second Time 'Round Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 11May 12, 2008 10:03 pm I think those dimension are fine.
800mm walk space, 400 mm deep shelves. My shelves are 450mm deep and while it works for me - it might be considered a bit deep for some. But looking at your plans I'd say that you could use the extra depth and make it gadets storage area as well. Things like the rice cooker, blender etc, and you can use a special bit of shelf space for them all the time. Also think about if you both like to cook the layout needs to cater for 2 people going in there at the same time. Re lighting, be careful of natural lighting in a pantry as you do not want to introduce light or warmth or things will really go stale or start to grow. Dark cool pantries are best. Steve Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 12May 13, 2008 9:15 am If you don't do alot / any formal dining, I would lose the dining room and bring the kitchen bench back so it is level with the oposing wall, and then you could make the walk in pantry a very useable size. This would alos increase your family / meals area. Then you could have a very seperate meals area and create the family room...
We don't do any "formal" dining here, just a very relaxed dining and during summer we are luck if we even eat inside. We will cook inside or on the bar-b and eat under the alfresco..... So we have no need or want for a "formal" dining room. But you may.. . something else to give you a little more confusion.. .. Sorry... Gav & Vanessa Building In Melbourne (Sth East Suburbs) http://www.arkraider.blogspot.com/ Rawdon Hill Construction - Canterbury Heritage Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 13May 13, 2008 8:13 pm Cabinfever Regarding appliances: Perhaps consider putting a bench directly down from the fridge along that pantry wall. It'd be the quickest point to grab things from. With the pantry door open it'd also feel much more like a natural extension of your kitchen bench space. You could even use the same material. As for the pantry shelves, I'd even consider going 20cm deep. You've got a huge amount of potential shelf space in there and you don't really need the depth - it's not as if you'd be stacking cans and bottles two and three rows deep like a shop. Isn't the beauty of a pantry in part being able to immediately see everything ? That means you want enough room to take in a wide sweep of the shelves rather than having everything right in your face. Hi Cabinfever, Thanks for the really good idea of placing a bench along the pantry wall. To clarify, do you mean directly behind the fridge? firstly I am so glad to see all the positive responses that the pantry is not too small.!! I also want to use to to store some platters and trays and my mum's china which I dont use often at all. so am thinking that 20cm might be too small. ? i definitely need to be able to see everything.. cos otherwise I will never find it I find it really hard to throw things away and am hoping that my pantry will not become a store room !!!!!!!!!! Thanks again Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 14May 13, 2008 8:20 pm [quote="Paula"]Keep the pantry!!!
You can never have enough storage. Keep your shelf at 300mm, my tupperware containers are 280mm deep and the weet bix box is 220mm deep, and put a bench in the space behind the fridge as cabinfever suggested. you wont refret the extra space to store things. Hi Paula, Thanks for the thumbs up for the pantry. SC has really been trying to tell me to forget it. Its really funny how much I am attached to the idea of having a pantry. Im really excited that my home has a pantry and courtyard. Thanks for much for taking the effort to even include a picture. The shelving you have is really practical and lots of room on top for baskets and boxes!! Is this a picture from your new home? Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 15May 13, 2008 8:32 pm Rachelle I like this plan a lot better Raz, than the last one I saw with the dining at the front near the lounge. Are they helping you with plan changes or are you having to tell them exactly what you want? I think the pantry is fantastic!! I agree with Cabinfever and Paula about the bench behind the fridge and I also agree that 40cm is too deep, 30cm like Paulas said will be perfect. I also really like what you've done with the powder room. How much did it cost you to add the extra shower? I've just requested a shower to be added to our powder room aswell, haven't got a cost back yet though. So you're having a wall to the lounge opening instead of the wall with squareset arch? Are they building the BBQ bench? Is it ok for it to be under the roof? How wide is your hall at the entry and how wide at the end? We have a similar hall but ours is the same width the whole way to the back. Hi Rachelle, 1.I would like them to help me with the plan changes but so far I have specified every change and SC draws it in. I would like to make some changes with windows etc and wish they would give me some ideas but I think they dont work that way. Yes I will think about 30 cm rather than 40 cm. 2 Glad you lik the powder room.I am waiting for tender which is on Thurs which will give me the cost of shower. I think its a very good inclusion. 3.I am having a gyprock cut out with a downlight on either side of the lounge. Hope it will be okay. I thought about this for ages... tossing between a french door and gyprock cutouts. 3. Many new homes do have the BBQ bench like that but I havent fully decided about this. 4. I think the hall way is about 1900mm and then 1800. ( I think) Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 16May 13, 2008 8:44 pm [quote="First_Timer_Ray"]We have a walk in pantry/butlers' pantry. Ours has a continuation of the bench on the right (when entering from the kitchen) and open shelving to the left. On the standard plan (as shown below) it has the open shelving on both sides.
The bench depth is 700mm, and the open shelving is 350mm, leaving 920mm as the walk/floor space. This is plenty of room - and the shelves are quite deep. Our pantry is only just over 1.8m in length and is very big (in comparison to anything we've had before) so imagine what over 4m will be like!! I'm not sure with the width of yours that it would be practical to have a bench? Also I wouldn't add a window into a pantry as most items kept in a pantry should not be exposed to light (eg. potatoes, etc). As long as there are 2-3 bright lights along the length there should be no problems seeing items. Hi First_Timer_Ray Thank you for posting the great pictures of your pantry... it looks incredible. Following advice from other homeone posters I am thinking of narrowing the shelving. which will allow me to either increase the Walk in space or dining room. My SC has acutally put in a small window- like a laundry window .. must talk to her. Is that a Linen storage next to the pantry? you have 2 sliding doors in your pantry with on of them into the linen which looks just huge!!!!!!!! Not sure if I am right. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 17May 13, 2008 8:48 pm [quote="Yak_Chat"]I think those dimension are fine.
800mm walk space, 400 mm deep shelves. My shelves are 450mm deep and while it works for me - it might be considered a bit deep for some. But looking at your plans I'd say that you could use the extra depth and make it gadets storage area as well. Things like the rice cooker, blender etc, and you can use a special bit of shelf space for them all the time. Also think about if you both like to cook the layout needs to cater for 2 people going in there at the same time. Re lighting, be careful of natural lighting in a pantry as you do not want to introduce light or warmth or things will really go stale or start to grow. Dark cool pantries are best. Hi Steve, Thanks for your comments. Yes I most certainly will be storing rice cookers and blenders and all the gadgets. I ve got a lot of those. Will be careful with the lights would not want to be responsible for growing noxious things in my pantry. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 18May 13, 2008 8:56 pm [quote="arkraider"]If you don't do alot / any formal dining, I would lose the dining room and bring the kitchen bench back so it is level with the oposing wall, and then you could make the walk in pantry a very useable size. This would alos increase your family / meals area. Then you could have a very seperate meals area and create the family room...
We don't do any "formal" dining here, just a very relaxed dining and during summer we are luck if we even eat inside. We will cook inside or on the bar-b and eat under the alfresco..... So we have no need or want for a "formal" dining room. Thanks for your ideas. I look forward to all differnt ideas... not confused at all. What you say about the dining room is very practical but I just love the idea of a formal dining opening into the couryard, however the dining room is now 3.1 by 4.4 so I dont think that I could have anything other than a table in there. I dont think there would be room for a cabinet for glasses or cutlery. What size is your Alfresco. I am looking for ideas to make the alfresco look nice. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 19May 13, 2008 9:05 pm Raz Paula Keep the pantry!!! You can never have enough storage. Keep your shelf at 300mm, my tupperware containers are 280mm deep and the weet bix box is 220mm deep, and put a bench in the space behind the fridge as cabinfever suggested. you wont refret the extra space to store things. Hi Paula, Thanks for the thumbs up for the pantry. SC has really been trying to tell me to forget it. Its really funny how much I am attached to the idea of having a pantry. Im really excited that my home has a pantry and courtyard. Thanks for much for taking the effort to even include a picture. The shelving you have is really practical and lots of room on top for baskets and boxes!! Is this a picture from your new home? Raz No its not from my new pantry, its one I got off the internet! Paula Re: WOULD THIS PANTRY BE TOO CRAMPED? 20May 13, 2008 9:58 pm We are having a similar setup in our new home. Overall length will be 5.3m long and width will be 1200mm (shelving of 300mm and walk space of 900mm). Can't wait - we are having our wine fridges installed in their along with our microwave etc. Basically. If the shelves are fixed then they will be screwed in just the same as the rest of the carcass. To re move the screws you need to remove that section of… 3 5214 I visited a relatives house and he went with sink in kitchen and butlers, dishwasher in kitchen and butlers and has crockery spread out between the two areas depending on… 2 44079 It will be neat but you won't have much freeboard. At least they are not weep holes. Are you in a high intensity rainfall region? The regulatory slope is only required… 3 8283 |