Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Oct 13, 2013 5:30 pm Hi all, I have been a long time reader but now I need to ask for some advice. I will attempt to post some pic's of my new kitchen, I think the space between the draws is too big however the kitchen company says it's their standard. Is this normal? Your opinions are greatly appreciated Re: Space between handleless draws? 3Oct 14, 2013 2:04 am That looks too big to me. I'd say about 25mm would be what I would aim for. Is it just me or is the gap in the top picture different between the top drawer and the one below? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Space between handleless draws? 4Oct 14, 2013 6:32 am Way to big! We leave 20mm between fronts for sharknose! With the amount of space they have left you would have no room in your drawers! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Space between handleless draws? 5Oct 14, 2013 7:56 am Thanks guys! Chippy you are correct the gap in top is bigger. Cuttingedge I thought the very same thing. Problem I have now is trying to get them to fix it if this is what they call "their standard". I am not sure as I am not a cabinet maker but I would think that the front of the drawer at the bottom, should at least cover some of the gap in between. These don't look like they do, the top pic you can see the bottom of the cut out. Sorry probably not describing it very good. I will go back today & take more pic's. Re: Space between handleless draws? 6Oct 14, 2013 11:53 am Hi again, I went & took some measurements in the top photo the gap at the between the top & middle drawer is 55mm, the gap between bottom and middle is 40mm. In the other pic, the gap is 50mm. So maybe I can ask which gap is the standard & then argue the point that they are all different. I wish I had known to ask about this, I just thought it would be how I have seen all other handleless kitchens. So very disappointed. Re: Space between handleless draws? 7Oct 14, 2013 1:42 pm Its a terrible design and is not even close to industry standard sizes! If they were going to do something that is totally different in size to almost every other cabinet maker and photos you see then they should have told you about it! The internals of the drawers would be very narrow and almost useless! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Space between handleless draws? 8Oct 14, 2013 3:50 pm Thanks Cuttingedge, is there some kind of written industry standard sizes? I'm really unsure how to handle this. I had bought this up when the kitchen was first started but was told up to 50mm is standard. Re: Space between handleless draws? 9Oct 14, 2013 4:42 pm Name and shame- to save others from the same fate. I would not be happy at all. As mentioned- that is a lot of lost drawer space. Look at the ones in the show me your kitchen thread. on page 119, 120 there are a couple that show what the gap should look like. Did the plan have the drawer sizes on it? Re: Space between handleless draws? 10Oct 14, 2013 8:34 pm I have took a look at the plan's I signed off on & unfortunately it show's a gap in between each drawer. I have never seen a kitchen plan before nor have I seen a kitchen with the gaps so big. I feel like a idiot! I can't see any sizes on the drawers on the plan. I measured the internals of the drawers tonight & the biggest is 160mm I am sure it was meant to be 250mm. I will attach the plans I signed, hopefully they are readable. Re: Space between handleless draws? 11Oct 14, 2013 8:39 pm Thanks for your input Travelbug, I have looked at that thread many times over the last 12 months & dreamed of my beautiful kitchen. I have decided to try to get the owner to come look, if he says it is his standard I will be telling him that he shouldn't mind me putting it on fb & this forum with his name attached, should be fine if his proud of his work.... right? Re: Space between handleless draws? 12Oct 15, 2013 11:31 am The plans don't actually have the gap sizes on there. When I do plans for a customer each drawer has a height written on it! Did you want 4 equal drawers? Normally with sharknose you only have 3 drawers. One at 170mm at the top and two deeper ones below. Unfortunately with sharknose you do loose drawer space and this is why 4 equal isn't usually done. Personally I think they have done a poor job of it! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Space between handleless draws? 13Oct 15, 2013 4:07 pm Hi cuttingedge, the plans with 4 drawers are in the island (bottom pic), the other side is 3 drawers( top pic)... the depth size was never written on the plans but I am sure we had said 2x 250 and a smaller one at the top. That bottom drawer is 220mm external & 160mm internal.... small pot drawer. We are wondering if this would be expensive to fix if the kitchen company refuses to do it. Is is possible to change the fronts of the drawers so they have a larger face & make the timber between each drawer smaller to give more depth? Re: Space between handleless draws? 14Oct 16, 2013 7:15 am yecart We are wondering if this would be expensive to fix if the kitchen company refuses to do it. Is is possible to change the fronts of the drawers so they have a larger face & make the timber between each drawer smaller to give more depth? Those rails are actually rebated into the face of the cabinet. The only way to change it properly is by putting a new drawer unit in. Its actually not that hard or that expensive to do. If the kitchen company refuse to do it for you why do you ask them to do it for cost price, if they are a good company then I am sure they would want to do anything to keep a customer happy! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Space between handleless draws? 16Oct 16, 2013 3:22 pm yecart Would be more difficult now bench tops are on? The builder is going to speak to the kitchen guy so hopefully we get this resolved. Yes it would if they are stone as they would have been glued down. Not an issue if they are laminate tops. I would stand firm and say that you have spoken to a number of kitchen places and the industry standard space for the finger pull is 20-25mm. What they have done is way outside that, been done poorly and wastes a lot of drawer space! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Space between handleless draws? 17Oct 16, 2013 4:02 pm Unfortunately it is 40mm stone. I did raise the issue earlier but when told it was their standard thought I was stuck with it. However I am yet to find a kitchen like it so I am going to stand firm in getting it fixed. Thanks again for all the advice I have been given. I will be sure to let you know the outcome. Re: Space between handleless draws? 18Oct 16, 2013 4:40 pm Unfortunately, I think you are going to have a real fight on your hands to get it fixed. The carcass will need to be replaced, as well as all the drawer fronts and ideally the doors as I guess they finish at the same height as the fronts. I suppose you may be able to live with a large gap at the top as long as the intermediate gaps are smaller and even. If all else fails get them to supply new drawer fronts that will at least make the gaps smaller and even. It still won't be ideal but I think you will have more chance of getting that than having them pull out all the drawer boxes and redo them. If I didn't know better I'd think they have never made drawers like these before and have been learning as they go on your job. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Space between handleless draws? 19Oct 16, 2013 6:41 pm Thanks Chippy, I think you are right but I will try. As long as they fix them so there look better I will be happy. I only have 3 cupboard doors & they are in the island where the 2 banks of 4 drawers are so I would be happy to leave the gap at the top on that side if I have.to Lucky I have a good sized pantry as it will have to house some pots! All my vanity units have the same gaps too Re: Space between handleless draws? 20Oct 17, 2013 8:03 am Hi again. I just received a call from kitchen guy, he was shown the pictures of my kitchen & said something has gone wrong. Apparently the machinery had been reprogrammed wrong. Anyway he has said he will replace all drawer fronts & that the their normal standard gap is 30mm. I still don't gain anything in the drawers but at least they will look better. Thanks again everyone.. feeling very relieved now 2 4915 You can really use anything you want the main consideration would be how it looks once painted/finished - or the look you want. Cabinetmakers use MDF because its cheap… 2 6635 Cupcake.girl This really depends on your local council. 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