Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Jan 08, 2013 11:17 am So i always thought timber way way more expensive, therefore people went with the cheaper alternative and udes vinyl wrap (so it still looks nicer than laminate but isnt as dear) but i just got my quote back and the kitchen would cost 13,800 for vinyl wrap and 15,000 for solid tassie oak. That is nothing of a difference for a real, solid kitchen. I thought vinyl wrap was supposed to be inferior but it has come to my attention that rather than as a cost saving method, some people must actaully prefer it over the timber. What are some of the reasons for this? Thanks in advance. Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 3Jan 08, 2013 3:22 pm I have heard that, but then a cabinetmaker said to me that with the 7 year warranty they have on them, it protects against defects like that, then if after the 7 years it happens to bubble or peel around the stove, you will just need to replace those doors (which wouldnt be more than a couple of hundred dollars) and if you get timber you have to have it revarnished however often anyway. Its very confusing for someone who doesnt know ANYTHING when getting mixed responses from 'professionals' in the same field, but i appreciate the input and suggestions from all people so thank you for confirming my hesitation there. Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 4Jan 08, 2013 3:24 pm The only other thing i can think of would be that 2pac whatever it is, and i have kids, i know its precious, but nothing stays nice in my house with them around (particularly things that are already frail) lol. I think the vinyl sounds like (even with the chance of bubbling and whatnot) like it would be more hardwearing and easier on us in the longer run, because kids are unlikely to damage it (does anyone know if 2pac warranty is void if you have mental kids running around?) lol Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 5Jan 08, 2013 7:13 pm alkababba The only other thing i can think of would be that 2pac whatever it is, and i have kids, i know its precious, but nothing stays nice in my house with them around (particularly things that are already frail) lol. I think the vinyl sounds like (even with the chance of bubbling and whatnot) like it would be more hardwearing and easier on us in the longer run, because kids are unlikely to damage it (does anyone know if 2pac warranty is void if you have mental kids running around?) lol You really need to get your facts straight. Vinyl wrap is actually the last door I would ever use in a kitchen. It is usually used by high volume builders and large kitchen companies pumping out vast quantities of the same sized doors and cabinets. Its a terriable product that can have alot of problems with heat. Do you really think in 7 years time you will be able to match the same colour vinyl to replace pieces?? The answer is not a chance in hell. They are constantly changing colours and styles in vinyl. The other problem is that it tends to fade in colour. Even if you could find the same product 7 years later it would be 2-3 shades darker and would look awefull. The average vinyl door cost around $80 plus fitting. So it would be alot more than just a couple of hundred dollars to replace the damaged panels. Consider I have pulled out 4year old kitchens that have had every panel bubble! The company that installed the kitchen went bust. No warrenty can help now! Why do people worry about 2 pac chipping?? Is it because the neighboor two doors down sisters brothers aunty purchased a cheap and nasty 2pac kitchen and got a couple of chips?? Trust me when I say proper two pack doesnt chip easily!!! If you get a chip with proper 2 pack you would also get a mark/ding in vinyl wrap. Can vinyl be repaired?? No way no how!! Can 2 pac be repaired?? Yes easily. The same way a car is repaired and resprayed! Infact you could completly change the colour of your 2 pac kitchen easily! You can also fix small chips, scratches, dings dents and big holes in 2pac. Any spray painter can repaint 2pac, even a smash repair company could do it! No warrenty covers "mental kids" Go with 2pac or solid timber and make sure your kitchen is built by quality cabinet maker. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 7Jan 08, 2013 7:33 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens alkababba The only other thing i can think of would be that 2pac whatever it is, and i have kids, i know its precious, but nothing stays nice in my house with them around (particularly things that are already frail) lol. I think the vinyl sounds like (even with the chance of bubbling and whatnot) like it would be more hardwearing and easier on us in the longer run, because kids are unlikely to damage it (does anyone know if 2pac warranty is void if you have mental kids running around?) lol You really need to get your facts straight. Vinyl wrap is actually the last door I would ever use in a kitchen. It is usually used by high volume builders and large kitchen companies pumping out vast quantities of the same sized doors and cabinets. Its a terriable product that can have alot of problems with heat. Do you really think in 7 years time you will be able to match the same colour vinyl to replace pieces?? The answer is not a chance in hell. They are constantly changing colours and styles in vinyl. The other problem is that it tends to fade in colour. Even if you could find the same product 7 years later it would be 2-3 shades darker and would look awefull. The average vinyl door cost around $80 plus fitting. So it would be alot more than just a couple of hundred dollars to replace the damaged panels. Consider I have pulled out 4year old kitchens that have had every panel bubble! The company that installed the kitchen went bust. No warrenty can help now! Why do people worry about 2 pac chipping?? Is it because the neighboor two doors down sisters brothers aunty purchased a cheap and nasty 2pac kitchen and got a couple of chips?? Trust me when I say proper two pack doesnt chip easily!!! If you get a chip with proper 2 pack you would also get a mark/ding in vinyl wrap. Can vinyl be repaired?? No way no how!! Can 2 pac be repaired?? Yes easily. The same way a car is repaired and resprayed! Infact you could completly change the colour of your 2 pac kitchen easily! You can also fix small chips, scratches, dings dents and big holes in 2pac. Any spray painter can repaint 2pac, even a smash repair company could do it! No warrenty covers "mental kids" Go with 2pac or solid timber and make sure your kitchen is built by quality cabinet maker. Couldn't have said it better myself. Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 8Jan 08, 2013 8:56 pm Thanks for all that information. I dont plan on letting the kids play in the kitchen (theyll be lucky if theyre allowed in the house once the varnished hardwood floors are installed) but you do need to go through the kitchen to access the backyard and accidents happen. You have certainly given me a lot to think about. ill call my guy right now and get him to adjust my quote. I am staying in this house, and i only want to do it once. if i wanted something i wasnt going to be happy with i would just get laminate, but i was led to believe the vinyl wrap was a superior product. Thankyou for being honest. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to ask regarding the suppliers and how i can tell id be getting good 2pac? I am in geelong if that helps, are there lists of suppliers in aus? Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 9Jan 09, 2013 6:46 am alkababba You have certainly given me a lot to think about. ill call my guy right now and get him to adjust my quote. I am staying in this house, and i only want to do it once. if i wanted something i wasnt going to be happy with i would just get laminate, but i was led to believe the vinyl wrap was a superior product. Thankyou for being honest. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to ask regarding the suppliers and how i can tell id be getting good 2pac? I am in geelong if that helps, are there lists of suppliers in aus? I would actually choose some of the new laminates over vinyl any day! Laminates will actually last longer! Remember no kitchen doors are fully laminated these days. They use a prefinished board that looks like the laminate and apply a PVC edge to it. Vinyl is being pushed because its quicker and easier for the cabinet makers and housing companys. Have you looked at the ultraglaze product? It is what most people would class as a laminate but is very glossy and looks great. 2pac or Polyurethane is a paint with 2 parts. The paint and a harderner that is added. You need to make sure that they are actually using 2pac as some companys will use a precatalised (single pac) instead. You should also ask how many coats are applied. You want a minimum of 1 undercoat and 2 top coats. 3 top coats are better. Also ask which company supplies there paint. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 10Jan 09, 2013 4:35 pm Looking at two kitchens - mine and a family members - that are both about 7-8 years old, the laminate looks terrible and the vinyl wrap looks pristine _except_ where my daughters turned the grill on maximum and left the door just a fraction open and we didn't notice and the neighbouring drawer front got scorched slightly. Any finish would have scorched to some degree with that abuse though! Normal use had left no mark whatsoever. Personally, I don't like either. I would love to have either 2pac or solid timber - but most likely will have laminate when I build as it is low priority for an upgrade in my budget. I certainly hope it is better than what was used 7 years ago for my current kitchen; it is chipped and peeling and wearing all over the place. Land settled May '14. Building the PD Hoffman39: 5/11=site start, 13/11=slab pour, 26/11=frame complete, 10/12=roof on, 12/12=bricking started. Blog: http://jyndeira.net/blog/ Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 11Jan 10, 2013 9:57 am dragonchild Personally, I don't like either. I would love to have either 2pac or solid timber - but most likely will have laminate when I build as it is low priority for an upgrade in my budget. I certainly hope it is better than what was used 7 years ago for my current kitchen; it is chipped and peeling and wearing all over the place. The word laminate is used on these forums most of the time its used wrongly. I am not saying your wrong but when you say laminate what do you mean? Laminate is actually a 1mm thick piece of material that is contacted to the face of a piece of 16-18mm thick board. The edges also have to have laminate attached. It can be very brittle and chip easily. This style of door was used alot around 10-15years ago. Its hardly used these days except in doctors surgerys. What most people are talking about when they same laminate is actually lamiwood. A prefinished 18mm thick board with the colour on both sides. It then has 1 or 2mm PVC edge tape glue on the edges. This is a much better door than a fully laminated one. The edges are vary vary hard wearing. They dont chip or peal off. If your looking at doors with the edges pealing off then it has had the cheap and nasty paper edge tape fitted. It chips and comes off so easily. Have you looked at the ultraglaze product? This is a lamiwood door, which alot of people call laminate! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 12Jan 10, 2013 9:27 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens If your looking at doors with the edges pealing off then it has had the cheap and nasty paper edge tape fitted. It chips and comes off so easily. It is probably this, although it isn't just the edge that has chipped. The house was built as an investment (not by me) and as far as I can tell, absolutely nothing was upgraded, everything was the most basic cat 1 of the time. Admittedly it also then spent 5 years as a rental and that does nothing for even good quality stuff! Then again, I'm also biased because the colour scheme irks me. The tiles and the cupboards and bench and tiled splash-back colours just don't work well together to my eye, but I admit I'm sensitive to colour! CuttingEdgeKitchens Have you looked at the ultraglaze product? This is a lamiwood door, which alot of people call laminate! No... last time I got to do a kitchen myself (2008), we were doing custom flatpacks from Allboards and vinyl-wrap doors were the best looking option in our budget. They did look good new and survived about 18 months without showing wear but I am not sure about the long term durability. I will take a look at ultraglaze, thank you! - but as mentioned, upgrading kitchen doors from whatever is included is low priority in my budget for my future build. They describe the included doors just as 'laminate' so what product is it likely to be? Land settled May '14. Building the PD Hoffman39: 5/11=site start, 13/11=slab pour, 26/11=frame complete, 10/12=roof on, 12/12=bricking started. Blog: http://jyndeira.net/blog/ Re: chosing Vinyl wrap over solid timber (reasons) 13Jan 11, 2013 5:35 am dragonchild []I will take a look at ultraglaze, thank you! - but as mentioned, upgrading kitchen doors from whatever is included is low priority in my budget for my future build. They describe the included doors just as 'laminate' so what product is it likely to be? Its very unlickely that it would be proper laminate. I believe it would probably be a prefinished board similar to lamiwood. 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