Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Sep 10, 2012 11:59 am I have a question for the kitchen makers here. In my contract the stone on the kitchen benches and all the bathroom vanities etc is supposed to be 30mm silestone. What they appear to have installed is 20mm stone, with a 40mm bullnose edge that has been glued on, and this is sitting on a piece of wood, which is clearly visible when you look underneath the overhand on the island bench. Can someone tell me if 30mm stone means just that, that the main part of the stone should be 30mm and not sitting on a piece of wood. Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 2Sep 10, 2012 4:06 pm Not a kitchen expert here & im sure one will come along. Are you talking real stone or man made Silestone being man made i would have thought that it could be made to certain spec's Real stone as in granite they add 20mm edge to 20mm slab piece to get the 40mm edge,what they have done with the stone is correct if it is indeed granite I would have thought that the extra thickness & width of the edge would hide the wood yours is sitting on. With ours all you can see is granite. Our now house with granite bench-tops are not sitting on wood strips either. But some stone masons do that. Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Re: Stone Benchtops 3Sep 10, 2012 4:10 pm Ps,i would not be happy being able to see the wood,whether man made or real stone. Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Re: Stone Bench tops 4Sep 10, 2012 5:45 pm I am just about to get stone bench tops installed and have spent far too much time visiting kitchen displays, stone dealers and surfing the net. What I have found out that might help your question is this. Some engineered stone and also I think natural comes in 20mm or 30mm thickness. I doubt anyone would quote 30mm unless they were going to use slabs of 30mm thick because the cost of edgeing a 20mm slab to 30mm would be almost exactly the same as doing 40mm. If you want thicker stone there are two methods that this can be achieved. Gluing two 20mm pieces together so the edge appears to be 40mm. If this method if not done well can make the join visible, especially in darker stone. The other method is to join two 20mm pieces at right angles with a 45 deg mitre joint. This can achieve a thickness of whatever you want (we are having 60mm) and as the join is on the edge where it is slightly rounded it is not so visible. Whatever method is done it will overlap the bench top but should fit snuggly against the fascia of the cupboards. The cupboards do have to be built to accommodate the face of the stone or the doors will not open. My guess is that your kitchen guys may have used some standard cupboards and so they needed to place some timber on top of the carcass to raise the stone up. As for the overhang (if you are refering to a breakfast bar type overhang) on the island bench I have been told by each stone guy I asked that they box it in with stone. A few also said that if this box would need another slab they would offer me an option of having the bottom of the overhang boxed in with board. I am getting a little paranoid as ours is due to start construction next week and I don't want any problems. Re: Stone Benchtops 5Sep 10, 2012 6:19 pm 30mm stone is just that, solid 30mm thick stone. They have made a huge mistake! 40mm is always doubled up, 20+20 but you shouldnt see any timber even on the overhangs. The stone should be full thickness on any overhang even if it is 300mm!! I would stand you ground and insist they pull it out or give you a large discount! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Stone Benchtops 6Sep 10, 2012 8:41 pm Thanks for the replies, it is the manufactured stone and it was my understanding also that it should be 30mm thick all over. Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 8Sep 11, 2012 7:22 am PHL One possibility is the stone variety/colour chosen does not come in 30mm thickness. We have 30mm stone, and were limited in what we could choose in CS. As PHL said not all colours come in 30mm but if that is the case they should have told you that and allowed you to choose a different colour. At the end of the day they have made the mistake! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Stone Benchtops 9Sep 11, 2012 9:20 am I actually checked that last night thanks, the stone is actually quantum quartz not the silestone as I initially thought. The colour I have is Tornado and according to the web site comes in 30mm. We got 30mm as standard and we had a very limited selection of colours. I checked the benches again this morning and they are definitely only 20mm, I have an undermount sink and the stone depth is only 20mm. It has a 40mm edge on it, and you can very clearly see the join, I had initially thought it was a scratch thr the stone, but its clearly where they have joined pieces around the edge to make the stone look thicker. I have already told the builder its not right and want it replaced. I am sure they will be trying to get out of it. We have stone on every bench in the place and they are all done the same. Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 10Sep 11, 2012 2:29 pm If your contract says 30mm they should have put 30mm in. 40mm done correctly would be an upgrade from 30mm. Builders may not give you the full choice of Quantum Quartz. In the STD Range there is about 12 colours, they may only offer you 5 of those or whatever they choose to offer you. 40mm is done as a lamination in most cases, so your polished sink would remain 20mm. A lamination join done correctly should be hardly visible at all. Double check your contracts and all your facts before saying anything. All builders that we've dealt with have all been prepared to cover 20mm or 40mm not ever 30mm. Just saying you should check all your docs. Re: Stone Benchtops 11Sep 11, 2012 3:01 pm Leni_82 40mm done correctly would be an upgrade from 30mm. . Thats stange as 30mm has always cost me more than 40mm. My stone masons do full returns on 40mm so yes its done correctly. Whats the sheet price difference between 20 and 30? Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Stone Benchtops 12Sep 11, 2012 3:22 pm my contract definately reads 30mm. I would prefer the solid block of stone to having 20mm stone with the 40mm edge and wood underneath. Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 13Sep 11, 2012 3:29 pm upon closer inspection of the contact no only was the benchtops 30mm but they should also have put waterfall ends which are not there either! Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 14Sep 11, 2012 3:50 pm Eq have a quick look at my kitchen,on page 52 or 53,it has an island bench,breakfast bar,waterfall edging etc. Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Re: Stone Bench tops 15Sep 11, 2012 5:00 pm equineaffair upon closer inspection of the contact no only was the benchtops 30mm but they should also have put waterfall ends which are not there either! 30mm and waterfall ends would be a lot more expensive than 40mm because 40mm is just 20mm with a little section of 20mm laminated to the edges (a small amount of extra stone but a fair amount of extra work) whereas due to the extra cost of a 30mm slab over the 20mm and the extra material (quite a bit) and stonework for the waterfall ends. if it is in your contract as you say I would be demanding a full replacement. Re: Stone Benchtops 16Sep 11, 2012 7:46 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Leni_82 40mm done correctly would be an upgrade from 30mm. . Thats stange as 30mm has always cost me more than 40mm. My stone masons do full returns on 40mm so yes its done correctly. Whats the sheet price difference between 20 and 30? I can only speak for our company, but we charge 30mm labour the same as 20mm as there isn't the lamination and sticking involved like there is on a 40mm piece. The difference between 20mm and 30mm slabs are different with each supplier but usually $200 or so. Which would probably even out or be slightly over 20mm slabs with a 40mm edge. But it is definitely less labour. If it's in your contract, i'd be wanting it! Definitely! Re: Stone Benchtops 17Sep 11, 2012 7:52 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Leni_82 40mm done correctly would be an upgrade from 30mm. . Thats stange as 30mm has always cost me more than 40mm. My stone masons do full returns on 40mm so yes its done correctly. Whats the sheet price difference between 20 and 30? Please keep in mind also, we are in different states and pricing structures are different (for some reason) Re: Stone Benchtops 18Sep 12, 2012 6:46 am Quote: upon closer inspection of the contact no only was the benchtops 30mm but they should also have put waterfall ends which are not there either! You've been ripped off. It might be an oversight, but waterfall ends cost a lot of money. If the remake your benchtops ask for mitred joints if your sticking to 40mm. Re: Stone Benchtops 19Sep 12, 2012 12:07 pm agreed, we paid $1400 or so for the waterfall ends so I actually want them! I think they just have put the cheapest job they could get away with on there. If I didn't look at it so often I probably would not have noticed that the thickness wasn't right. Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Stone Benchtops 20Oct 14, 2012 11:38 pm What was the outcome ? Satisfactory I hope ?? Cheers, P_D . 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