Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Nov 14, 2011 7:54 am Hi all, Long time reader, first time poster - looking for some advice on my kitchen reno. I'm installing a new kitchen that I've designed and I really want a waterfall end on my breakfast bar (love those waterfall ends ). I'm also putting down floating strandwoven bamboo boards (ArrowSun Beechwood), which I have to put down following the kitchen install (so they float and are not pinned down my cabinetry). I'm doing everything I can to avoid having quad/scotia/beading visible in the kitchen - the boards will tuck under the kickers which takes care of most of it. However, I'm not sure how to handle the waterfall end on the breakfast bar. If the bench is installed before the flooring, then I will have to have beading around the waterfall . My flooring guy has suggested that I have the waterfall installed AFTER the flooring, so it will sit directly down onto the boards and hide the expansion gap between the boards and the end cabinet. I prefer this idea as it will look great (no beading!) however I wanted some opinions on whether this option is still going to let the floor float (ie the weight of the waterfall will be down on the floor), and if the floor does move under the waterfall, will this put pressure on the waterfall join?? Thanks in advance for your advice - hopefully you can put my OCD to rest Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 2Nov 14, 2011 12:10 pm I get this question all the time and I am not sure what everyone is worried about. We have installed full kitchens on floating floors and there has never been a problem. I put my parents kitchen on a floating floor 8 years ago and there hasnt been a problem. I think alot of people hear or see the word "floating" and assume that the floor will move alot. It doesnt. Infact it will move less than proper solid timber floor. So in answer to you question Yes have the waterfalls installed after the floor has been installed. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 3Nov 14, 2011 3:27 pm Excellent news, CuttingEdge, thanks! I'm aware that the bamboo is fairly stable compared to timber and especially laminate on MDF, but flooring people are forever going on about 'floating' and its made me paranoid! Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 4Nov 14, 2011 5:38 pm Dont stress, they have no idea at all. They sell it and never see it again! I install kitchens on it every week of my life! I have also install 100s of floating floors to. All the builders I work with also prefer to install ontop of the floating floor. It looks so much better! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 5Nov 14, 2011 6:13 pm CuttingEdge, now you're making me think I should install the flooring before the kitchen cabinets - which would be my preferred solution. As you say it would look much better. My flooring guy had two comments about this: 1) If I were to flood the kitchen, I'd have to remove all the kitchen cabinets in order to take up the floor. 2) If I were to do it this way, he recommended cutting out circles of the bamboo boards around the cabinet legs, to allow for some movement (ie. so the cabinet legs themselves would be sitting on the subfloor). Thoughts? Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 6Nov 14, 2011 9:20 pm MrZebra CuttingEdge, now you're making me think I should install the flooring before the kitchen cabinets - which would be my preferred solution. As you say it would look much better. My flooring guy had two comments about this: 1) If I were to flood the kitchen, I'd have to remove all the kitchen cabinets in order to take up the floor. 2) If I were to do it this way, he recommended cutting out circles of the bamboo boards around the cabinet legs, to allow for some movement (ie. so the cabinet legs themselves would be sitting on the subfloor). Thoughts? 1. if you put down a solid timber floor you would have to remove the kitchen to replace the damaged floor. I have do insurance work for NRMA and AAMI and have had to pull out many kitchens because a pipe has let go. If the floor is damaged then usually the bottom of the walls will be damaged and need replacing too. So even if it was a tiled floor the kitchen would still need to come out. If you put the kitchen in first and then put flooring around it you are creating a well for water to sit in. If a pipe does burst then water will sit underneath the kitchen and wont be able to escape thus damaging the floor much more quickly. If you put the kitchen ontop of the floor then the water can actually run out and be moped up. 2. Not necessary at all but if it keeps you happy then go for it. I personally hate and done use the plastic legs. I dont like supporting the weight of the kitchen and stone on a few plastic legs. I build full kickboards out of marine ply that support the kitchen and give it a bigger contact patch with the floor. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Waterfall end install AFTER floating floor? 7Nov 15, 2011 7:17 am Excellent points. Regarding the plastic legs, I completely understand your concerns. As I'm also concerned about the weight of my quartz benchtop, I'm upgrading the 'standard' plastic legs that come with my cabinets from my local board cutting place to Hettich legs. These have a 650kg vertical load rating per leg, which ought to handle anything! And they're Hettich, so you know, that gives me confidence.... Thanks so much for your advice CuttingEdge - much appreciated! Thanks, that's the motivation I needed to give it a try sooner rather than one day! 4 3000 To put anything over slate you will need to put self level compound over the entire area as slate various in thickness and is very un even. 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