Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Feb 07, 2008 2:56 pm Has anyone build a cool room in their kitchen instead of a pantry?
I heard that if you seal your pantry you can get a cooling engine and it is like a pantry/fridge? Sounds like a great idea to me and I was wondering if anyone has done it or how much it cost them. Thanks. Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 2Feb 07, 2008 3:38 pm I have been wanting to do this for ages - I am just waiting for a client who can get their head around the concept.
I remeber being out at some auctions a while ago and they had 3m x 3m coolrooms with compressors for about the same price as some of the big name 1000mm wide fridges. Because of their size I think the idea would be ideally suited to cantilevering one off the side of a house (or sticking it onto the side of a house if working at ground level) and simply having the sliding door walk in access through the wall. Structurally they are basically just thick wall slabs of extruded polystyrene with a cladding (aluminium?), and there would be no real drama in putting one up. The floor would need to be waterproof with appropriate drainage - good thermal properties would help here as well. The main issues I can perceive here are energy consumption and the noise of an externally mounted compressor. With the noise issue I am pretty sure some judicious sound proofing could be quite easily fabricated. As for economy, if the system is well sealed and the door isn't being opened every five minutes they might well suprise some people. Obviously it would be an advantage to have the structure well sheltered to avoid sun, but I would imagine that one would want to create some decorative shroud for the thing anyway. Cheers, Earl Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 3Feb 07, 2008 4:18 pm Obvious issues re cooling a arge area of walk in space and costs environment etc.
Many a farmer has a cool room for storing their own kill etc but they all turn them off when they are not being used due to cost. But I did have a missing brother-in-law one x-mas - we found him in the coolroom - beer in hand both dressed in a drizabone and jumpers - chatting to his mate he hadn't seen all year ![]() ![]() And as discussed with casa in other threads, if you use externally introduced cool air - ie underfloor air - your pantry can be coller than the room temp. Steve Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 5Feb 07, 2008 9:08 pm I'm only thinking of a small one. The kitchen we are looking at has a small corner pantry and I was thinking of converting that and not having a fridge.... Save lots of space I would think... Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 6Feb 07, 2008 9:12 pm What state are you in LMGU?
The issue with coolig your whole pantry is - why not just buy a bigger fridge? Not everything needs cooling in OZ. And if everything in your pantry is cold - then you need to uyse more energy to heat it up - if you want to eat it hot. A electricaly cooled pantry - just doesn''t make sense in my opinion. Sure during summer it is useful - but the rest of the year? Steve Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 7Feb 08, 2008 8:26 am There are other ways of cooling down a pantry without using energy. I've seen one where they had a pipe from the floor to the outside and another vent at the top of their pantry (both vents covered in mesh).
Here's an example, but a little more complex: 2 – The pantry could be used to cool the whole house, but is at this stage used to only cool the food inside. The pantry is situated on the southern side of the home, right next to the thick, (stone) wall. Underneath the floor of the pantry is a network of pipes that lead through the wall. There’s a small chamber of water that helps cool the breeze down that flows into the pipe into the pantry. On the ceiling of the pantry there is a vent that goes through the roof. The warm air that rises in the pantry exits through the vent and cool air is drawn into the pantry via floor vent and pipe. Thus keeping the food in the pantry cool at all times of the year, reducing* the need for a fridge. * Note: reducing not eliminating. http://www.abc.net.au/sa/stories/s1530081.htm And another link: http://www.emilis.sa.on.net/emil_40.htm Cheers, Helen Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 8Feb 08, 2008 8:52 am Precisely the thing Helen.
The air needs to come from under the house or via a long preferably deeply dug pipe running under ground to get the natural cooling effect. But it does work. Steve Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 9Feb 08, 2008 10:00 am I'm Helen, not Helyn, Steve.
You might be interested. We've almost finished building our house in the bush, and it is mostly 22 degrees inside. No air-con, solar powered. During the very hot days in summer, the inside temp eventually got to 28 but as it was summer we had enough power to plug in a little fan - the overhead fans weren't installed then. It was quite comfortable. Now looking forward to winter to see how it performs. Cheers, Helen Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 10Feb 08, 2008 10:29 am I'd be worried about a child getting stuck in a walk in fridge....
The best way to keep cooling costs down is to fill any fridge or freezer as full as possible because it really is the air that you are cooling - less air - less cooling costs. Do you have enough food/slabs of beer to fill a pantry? We have two fridges and a chest freezer so we too are burning up energy... Fi has moved in!! Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 11Feb 08, 2008 10:31 am ![]() I'd be worried about a child getting stuck in a walk in fridge.... The ideal time out spot.....for when their behaviour is "unasseptable"! ![]() Built Porter Davis "Dromana" 2007. Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 13Feb 08, 2008 12:20 pm Quote: I'm Helen, not Helyn, Steve. Correct - my mistake - I wondered if she'd got suddenly very knowledgable on this subject ![]() ![]() Quote: You might be interested. We've almost finished building our house in the bush, and it is mostly 22 degrees inside. No air-con, solar powered. During the very hot days in summer, the inside temp eventually got to 28 but as it was summer we had enough power to plug in a little fan - the overhead fans weren't installed then. It was quite comfortable. Now looking forward to winter to see how it performs. Cheers, Helen Interested - absolutely ![]() Well done. ![]() Steve Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 14Feb 08, 2008 12:30 pm Thanks Steve. It's pretty exciting to see it all come together the way we imagined. Six yrs since we bought the block so it's been a while.
And yes - we have the main living area with kitchen facing north and bedrooms to the south. We'll have to see about the winter sun. Because we get hot summers we have verandas all the way around so this may impede the sun a bit in winter. But we have a slab with slate tiles to soak up what does come in. And we'll use a combustion stove for hot water so that heat should be absorbed by our brick (besser) walls and slab and be released at night when it cools down. We'll monitor the sun and the north veranda and may make some adjustments. We've also put in a worm farm for all the waste and have become slightly obsessed with our worms! H Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 15Feb 08, 2008 1:31 pm Quote: We've also put in a worm farm for all the waste and have become slightly obsessed with our worms! Normally it's the other way round ![]() ![]() ![]() Just be careful what you feed them - they are a bit fussy re onions and citrus peel. Tends to give them gas ![]() Of the death variety ![]() Steve Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 16Feb 08, 2008 1:48 pm Thanks for the tip. I was wondering about that but there's nothing in the instructions to say we can't put them in.
Here's the site if you're interested. And the can be retrofitted. http://www.wormfarm.com.au/index.php Re: Cool Room instead of Pantry/Fridge 17Feb 08, 2008 3:17 pm Quote: Quote: I'm Helen, not Helyn, Steve. Correct - my mistake - I wondered if she'd got suddenly very knowledgable on this subject ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hey, you. I'm a wealth of knowledge on many subjects!!!!!!!! (admittedly piping to pantries isn't one of them) Quote: Thanks for the tip. I was wondering about that but there's nothing in the instructions to say we can't put them in. The misbehaving children????? ![]() ![]() ![]() AFAIK, flashing is a minimum standard. Out of curiosity is your window glass stamped with AS requirements in any of the corners of each pane? Im almost certan if theyre… 2 1819 Basically. If the shelves are fixed then they will be screwed in just the same as the rest of the carcass. To re move the screws you need to remove that section of… 3 2786 ![]() We are building a new house and it will be the first house we have that has a butlers pantry (existing has just a walk in pantry). The main thing we want to do is to have… 0 18426 |