Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Feb 24, 2011 10:22 am If you had to have a join in your island, would you be fussed where it was? Would you have it directly in the middle of the sink or would you have it 500mm from one end of the island? Or would you totally not care?
Re: Would you be fussed about the location of a join? 2Feb 24, 2011 10:24 am In the middle of the sink or it will drive you crazy over time! For info on our build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43093 Built the McLaren by Dechellis - slab down 22 Feb - handover 30 Aug 2011 - and gardens finished 9 Dec 2012!! Re: Would you be fussed about the location of a join? 3Feb 24, 2011 10:27 am Besides you would have the worst stonemason in the world if he did your join near your sink!!!! Standards are that the join cannot be near the sink (can't remember the actual measurements) as over time the seam will weaken with moisture. Our island is 4m long therefore we needed a join. Ours is on the furthest side of the bench from the entry door - so is not noticeable to anyone coming into the room. It is around 15cm from the sink so far enough away from moisture plus is hidden behind the raised servery - so again hidden from sight. Some things are worth waiting for. Re: Would you be fussed about the location of a join? 4Feb 24, 2011 10:30 am ours is in the middle of the island!! I was hoping it would be around the sink, but our sink is right at the end of a 4metre long bench, so it would have been at the start of the draining grooves I think and would have looked shocking. I'm glad it's in the middle now. I don't think I would have it towards one end without a sink being there though. As much as they are discreet, you can still notice it at times, and I think it would look a bit funny. Re: Would you be fussed about the location of a join? 5Feb 24, 2011 2:13 pm Laminate = Join away form Sink/Water Stone = Join anywhere you like. Once moisture gets in the join of laminate it start to loft the laminate off the bench. Oh and Kyton, the stone bench at the Outlaws is around the sin as it means there are only less than 6inches of join as opposed to 600mm of join. Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 6Feb 24, 2011 2:34 pm Oh well that is completely the opposite to what our stonemason and kitchen designer told us. Spose it is each person's call but personally the less "stress" on a join the better IMO. Some things are worth waiting for. Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 7Feb 24, 2011 2:54 pm Ours is about a third of the way along the island - away from the sink. The join is almost invisible. Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 8Mar 10, 2011 7:05 am The problem is that they are trying to give you the cheapest option With us if the bench is longer than 3000mm we would put the join on the sink edge preferably not the dishwasher side so we can properly pin it and for our installation access Much neater and if the stonemason is good you should almost not see the joint. It should be about 1/4 mm thick See photo link here of some of our joins http://www.flickr.com/photos/58076421@N08/5366253960/ Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 9Mar 10, 2011 10:21 am How close to the sink edge do you locate the join? Cheers, Earl Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 10Mar 10, 2011 12:15 pm ours is under the lip of the sink. Although it is thin and almost invisible, *I* still know where it is and would much rather it there than in a wide expanse of bench "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 11Mar 10, 2011 7:32 pm Strumer How close to the sink edge do you locate the join? Cheers, Earl We only ever put a join in if the bench length is longer than 3000mm. As for the sunk join depends on undermounted or drop in sink We use to locate them in the middle on the mixer tap hole. But get a better join and stronger by putting them right on the cutout edge. Also a warranty thing as we give a 10 year warranty on granite and marble nit just engineered stone Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 12Mar 11, 2011 9:22 am MemoriesinStone We only ever put a join in if the bench length is longer than 3000mm. As for the sunk join depends on undermounted or drop in sink We use to locate them in the middle on the mixer tap hole. But get a better join and stronger by putting them right on the cutout edge. Also a warranty thing as we give a 10 year warranty on granite and marble nit just engineered stone Thanks for that - I wanted to clear up some of the differing opinions about where a stone top can be joined. So when you say right on the cutout edge do you mean that the new (second) piece of stone actually forms one side of the cutout? This is to say that the join is only at the front and back of the stone and not all the way across; I was always taught that this is quite an acceptable join in terms of strength and water resistance but lately have heard a few opinons disputing this and I would be grateful if you could clarify this one way or the other. Cheers, Earl Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 13Mar 11, 2011 9:41 am Yes the second piece is the edge That way you eliminate a John right across a piece if stone Plus you can get a better bind to the joint underneath plus we Aldo biscuit all our joins gave not had one fail in two years Biggest problem is when and stone is joined and especially on engineered stone as it is so fine grain and full of polymers that it is hard to get a bite on the edge that us why we have a special technic that allow for a seamless chip free join yet has more strength than any join you will find As for the join it's not a matter of pulling out a colored tenax say 1141 which is used on snow or 3141 which us ice snow as the colours are not exact and still need to be colored match. Where mist will put in clear but clear is not that it us mire yellow when cured Hope this is what you were chasing Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 14Mar 12, 2011 10:51 am Thanks for that - confirms my thoughts and is good to hear it straight from an expert. I am always interested in any underbench images you would have of these joins or any other information you can provide about your requirements in terms of cabinetry for these installations; it would be good to know how close we can put gables to the joins as well as if there are particular specifications for front rails or other supports in these areas. Cheers, Earl Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 15Mar 12, 2011 11:03 am My bench was about 3.3m long I shortened it so there would be no join. If I had a join I would like it down one end where you don't walk past as often, although I've seen joins in stone benches and you can barely see them Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 16Mar 13, 2011 6:30 am Talking about joins and support I have a section(dishwasher opening) extending from sink cut out that does not have a substrate of any kind I thought to place a lintel by drilling both ends of the cabinets and bond the steel to the benchtop so to give the stone little more support. Oh I say that because the join is next with few mm to spare Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 17Mar 14, 2011 8:18 pm Ooooh, this thread is exactly what I need! In our new home, we are having an island bench with a single sink and a double sink by the window. We are having 30mm ceasar stone. The builder was going to put the join across the free part of the bench, but logic was telling me to put it across the sink so there would not be as much of a join. Is this right??? I really thought across the sink would be better, rather than a full on join across the free bench. What do you guys think?? Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 18Mar 14, 2011 8:20 pm ^^ that's what I've got Groovy One, as per my post above I would much prefer it under the sink than in a big expanse of stone. "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 19Mar 14, 2011 9:06 pm Yes across the sink hides the joins. It is not so much the join if it is done properly but the light deflection issue Re: STONE bench-Would you be fussed about the location of a 20Mar 14, 2011 9:33 pm I’d have the join in the middle so it’s under the sink. At my kitchen selections interview, I actually shortened my island bench to 3 metres to avoid having a join as I didn’t want one. 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