Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Aug 12, 2010 11:11 pm hey guys does this quote sound reasonable ? pics of plans included we are newbies in the reno game and thoought i would try and get some advice thanks ! To supply and install kitchen; which includes the following components- -White board cupboards -4 banks of draws -Laminex benchtops sand pebble colour -Vynal wrap doors parchment colour -Handles on doors and draws up to $5 each of your choice The total cost to supply and install your kitchen is $8,800.00 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 2Aug 12, 2010 11:35 pm Looks OK to me I even think is well priced for a laminex kitchen and Vynil wrap Although who is supplying the sink,taps, rangehoods and cooktops etc? some items are in the drawing however not in the quote? also who is doing the demolition or is it a new home you are installing the kitchen at? Which state or city are you in? Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 3Aug 12, 2010 11:39 pm get at least three quotes. you can even get bunnings to give you a quote for a flatpack for comparison. the things that add the most expense are things like soft close drawers and hinges, special hardware, etc. Recently moved to a 60's home in need of some improvement! http://s797.photobucket.com/user/leenii ... ch%20House Old house: http://s797.photobucket.com/albums/yy25 ... loo/House/ Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 5Aug 13, 2010 12:47 am What about plumbing, electrical and tiling? If you are doing all the removal and demo and the cabinet maker is just doing a straight install with no ancillary works then that price is about right. You can definitely pay more (may also get it cheaper). The real expense comes when and if you need plumbers, electricians and tilers. I'd always recommend getting the kitchen made local. Some of the cheap flat packs are imported so the quality is not what it should be. Always check on the quality of hardware used. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 7Aug 13, 2010 4:02 pm deathgod we are responsible for plumbing, tiling, electrical. Any idea on a ballpark figure for these things ? Kitchen is local. Comes recommended by our 'designer' If there is not much modification then plumbing and electrical work should be a piece of cake unless you get one of those contractors insisting call rates, plus hourly rates etc. generally reconnecting things you should be up for $500 up to $800 for both. Tiling is different as it is the type of tiles and the area covered that dictates the rate some may charge $400 others may charge $1000 excluding tiles. Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 8Aug 17, 2010 10:00 pm Hey peeps Kitchen guys want to put kitchen in on a Saturday. 7.30 am start, will take a day. Have advised us to get gas and electricical prelim work done b4, then get gas and electrician to pop in on the day to hook everything up. Am i gonna get double slugged for the gas and electrical work ? Is this what normally happens ? Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 9Aug 17, 2010 10:20 pm deathgod Hey peeps Kitchen guys want to put kitchen in on a Saturday. 7.30 am start, will take a day. Have advised us to get gas and electricical prelim work done b4, then get gas and electrician to pop in on the day to hook everything up. Am i gonna get double slugged for the gas and electrical work ? Is this what normally happens ? If they work separate yes but if you have engaged the kitchen guy then just negotiate with the kitchen contractor to pay for the tradies when it is due Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 10Aug 18, 2010 7:39 am If you are going to be coordinating the trades then they will charge you for all hours on site but may only charge one call out fee, depending on who you use. We use a team of electrician and plumbers who specialise in renovations which means they are more amenable to this sort of work. Often if you tell the electrician and plumber that it will only be a disconnect and reconnect they may do you a better quote as it will not be much time on site for them, but if they have to do any extra work like more GPOs or roughing in new pipes then obviously they will want to be paid for this. If the installer is coordinating the trades you will still pay whatever they want for both attendances but it just won't be as obvious in your final bill...oh and Saturday might mean higher rates as well. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 11Aug 18, 2010 10:25 am thanks guys Hey Earl what does GPO stand for ? I think the gas line needs to be moved as the oven is moving from where it is on floor, to being 'inside' the shelves, about a meter from where it currently sits. Plus a sink and dishwasher need to be connected. Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 12Aug 18, 2010 10:54 am Hey DG, it is an older industry term that I really shouldn't be using anymore but most trades I deal with still do as well: "General Purpose Outlet is an electrical term. The definition for GPO in the AS3000 - Australian Standard for Wiring Rules is "three pin flat pin 10 amp socket outlet" or power point as commonly known. However the definition was removed from the 2000 edition of the wiring rules, those power points are now defined as Socket Outlets." So it sounds like the gas fitter and electrician are coming in to do their roughing in an empty space is this correct? That is when the majority of the work will be done - they will lay everything out so that when they come back it will be a quick job to hook everything up and make it active and this has most likely already been factored into their quote. It might still be worth inquiring if they charge more for coming out on a Saturday - if they do and you can live with no services until Monday that might save you a few dollars. Something I have found out through experience though, make sure that everything will be in place for them to work on and confirm who is doing what - an ongoing problem we often encounter is kitchen installers not wanting to hang range hoods for example; they say the electrician or plumber should do it, then when the tradies turn up they say the installer should have done it - same for locating the oven in the cabinetry, especially if there are fascia strips that need to be fitted above and below the unit - just make sure the oven isn't screwed into place. A lot of this might not even be relevant to your job but just a heads up. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 13Aug 18, 2010 11:33 am thats right Earl kitchen will be gutted when installers come. My tradies here now (painter - ex kitchen guy ) said we will need a plumber to do dishwasher plugs and sink and taps. Gas line moved and power point moved. I will try and get a guy out here to do a quote on site for us. Is the correct way to go about it ? Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 14Aug 18, 2010 11:59 am Hi DG, So you will need someone to disconnect the existing services before the kitchen is removed? That's one call out for the tradies - the plumber/gasfitter I use also does kitchen demolitions so that it saves him having to come back once everything is removed - if your installers have quoted to do this part of the job it might be worth checking about the disconnection of the services...sometimes they do this themselves, although it is often not technically legal. The roughing in (moving of gas line, new SO's) is best done when there is no cabinetry or installers around to get in the way so hopefully there will be a break between removal and installation; often there is some making good to be done before a new kitchen goes in and this is always a good time for the trades to come out and do their main work. Then there is the reconnect once all the cabinetry is fitted. This means potentially three attendances for the trades, but the disconnect is a quick job and again they might be happy to consolidate the price of this with the reconnect and only charge one call out. Getting an on site quote is always the best way to go, but it pays to make sure that the trades you consult do not charge you for a quote; again my guys don't but I know some do. If you can't get a free on site quote you may well be able to get a quote from them by emailing your new plans and requirements list along with any photos you might have of the existing kitchen. Obviously everyone wants to get paid for the time they spend on a job and this includes quoting; a big reason for people charging for quotes is that more and more potential clients are getting quotes from five or so different guys each time or are just tyre kickers - basic economics really...no one likes to spend an hour in traffic plus the time on site for nothing. Of course if you don't get charged for the quote the cost for the quote is probably factored into the job. The main reason I'm even mentioning this is for anyone else reading this as much as for you; we are finding that potential clients are now getting as many as ten quotes for a new kitchen, which means we go from having a one in three chance of getting a job to a one in ten. Contrary to what many people believe quotes don't just get generated at the touch of a button, we still have to do quite a bit of work (which means spending time, on and off site) for each quote we produce and this has to be paid for by someone. The market may be getting more and more competitive but undercutting each other ultimately only leads to one outcome; the undercutters go out of business because they can't sustain their overheads and the more expensive people who are covering their costs go out of business because they aren't getting the jobs. Sorry for using your thread for the rant, I'm definitely not accusing you of behaving in this manner, but this is something that obviously affects a lot of people in the industry and this is just a good opportunity to present another view on the topic of quoting that I feel quite a few people don't appreciate. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 15Aug 18, 2010 12:09 pm no probs and thanks for teh advice you will be happy to hear that we went with just 1 quote guys came recommened, we were happy, everyone we talked too said quote was great. I just wanna make sure we organize all tradies and installers to all fall into place. Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 16Aug 18, 2010 3:11 pm That's great DG, I wish you were the rule rather than more of an exception. Word of mouth is still one of the strongest forms of marketing in this industry and it is great to see people getting their name handed around when they do good work. I hope I have managed to answer your questions and look forward to hearing about your happy outcome. One important thing is to try and allow as much time for each stage as you can - not that things shouldn't happen in the time you expect them but in my experience it is mostly when the scheduling is extremely tight that something unexpected will occur to slow things down...and if all the trades are coming in back to back this can upset a lot of people. Of course I appreciate that there is only ever "so long" that you can be without a kitchen but it still pays to be as judicious and generous with your timeline as possible. Good luck. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 18Sep 13, 2010 5:32 pm Sorry to hijack your thread, deathgod. I'm planning to replace the gas cooktop and rangehood in my new apartment, and I'm hoping that somebody could advise me who I should call ... is it an electrician? Or do I call for a handyman? I went to have a look around in a few places like Good Guys, but that particular outlet I went don't have anyone to do the installation. I'm in Melbourne btw, if anyone can make a recommendation, that would be great. Thanks! Signed: June 2010 | Settlement: September 2010 | Moved in: October 2010 Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 19Sep 13, 2010 10:26 pm bunnywabbit Sorry to hijack your thread, deathgod. I'm planning to replace the gas cooktop and rangehood in my new apartment, and I'm hoping that somebody could advise me who I should call ... is it an electrician? Or do I call for a handyman? I went to have a look around in a few places like Good Guys, but that particular outlet I went don't have anyone to do the installation. I'm in Melbourne btw, if anyone can make a recommendation, that would be great. Thanks! Whereabouts in Melbourne are you and what type of appliances you are planning to fit in? 2 22976 I was being kind to the builder. 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