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Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 22May 01, 2007 8:25 pm Guys, I have to say that I think the name of this topic - "Chinese flatpacks" is derogatory.
The problem with the products is not that they are Chinese, a great deal of what we buy today comes from there - it's about quality. Some countries (China included) have higher standards than Australia for some products. You can get good and bad quality made in Australia. It's the specifier and importer who is to blame... not China. EP Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 23May 01, 2007 9:03 pm Fair comment Ed,
My general understanding is that particleboard commonly has formaldehydes emitting from it, especially when new. Most of it gasses off in the beginning and gradually diminishes as years go by. Standards are in place, but it can be naive to think that just because it's on the market, it is conforming to standards. Regardless of where it is from, check it out and seek guarantees of quality and conformity to standards. Ash. Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 24May 02, 2007 12:07 am Thanks, the title has improved but it should be called "imported" not "Chinese"...
A lot of locally used MDF comes from Malaysia does it comply? Track down the importer - that is where the problem ******. Thanks EP Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 25May 02, 2007 12:21 am i see your point
but the thread still relates to my dealings with a particular company who do import directly from china but... ill make another amendment ![]() Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 27May 02, 2007 11:13 pm What about the flatpacks from Bunnings? They appear good quality and made in China too!! If they were to be toxic they would not have been approved for import. Besides, Bunnings has been in the kitchen business for at least 7 yrs that I have known.I am seriously considering them for the laundry as the buider is ripping off 1.8 K for something we could get under 500 dollars.
VP Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 30May 04, 2007 7:06 pm ![]() What about the flatpacks from Bunnings? They appear good quality and made in China too!! If they were to be toxic they would not have been approved for import. Besides, Bunnings has been in the kitchen business for at least 7 yrs that I have known.I am seriously considering them for the laundry as the buider is ripping off 1.8 K for something we could get under 500 dollars. VP well i have been sitting back and observing this thread for a while now ,so here goes ,i have installers (subbies) that wont even think about installing the imported(chinese)kitchens ,their reasons are /to much work installing/they have unacceptable door clearances/makes your eyes water when cutting or drilling/they dont fit with standard australian appliances -the list goes on and on ,Bunnings will tell you that they come from adelaide south australia and thats true but they are imported from china through that importer who then passes them on to bunnings ,dont be fooled by the promotions ,you as the customer have to do a fair bit of assembling and screwing to make these cabinets work ,and if you put a screw in the wrong place ,well there goes your warranty ,i have heard of people trying to assemble the flatpax cabinets for 2 weeks without much luck ,now in my humble opinion if i were to spend 2 weeks trying to assemble and at least make the end product look as good as if i had paid an licenced installed and it looked like crap then i would tell no one and put that down to memory ,or the dearly beloved (bless her heart) will remind me again and again and again ,is it really worth the pain , Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 31May 04, 2007 10:05 pm You have a bit of a vested interest in those comments though.
I've used it in the past to do a kitchen reno (in the house I currently live in). I was concerned by this topic and weighing up whether I should use the system again in our new house. I wasn't concerned about using it based on quality or difficulty in use, but only on health/safety. I am still a bit iffy about it, but feel reasonably safe in trusting their word. After all, my current kitchen doesn't (and didn't) seem to particularly smell or anything while I was working with it... Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 32May 05, 2007 3:45 pm ![]() You have a bit of a vested interest in those comments though. I've used it in the past to do a kitchen reno (in the house I currently live in). I was concerned by this topic and weighing up whether I should use the system again in our new house. I wasn't concerned about using it based on quality or difficulty in use, but only on health/safety. I am still a bit iffy about it, but feel reasonably safe in trusting their word. After all, my current kitchen doesn't (and didn't) seem to particularly smell or anything while I was working with it... actually you are right about vested interest ,but my interest is in the allowing of these cheap imports into the country against buying locally or australian made products ,i get at least one application a day for a trade apprenticeship from aussie kids looking for a job and it infuriates me that i cant find them one ,most of the kids have good enough marks to get anything but they are finding it difficult to break the shell through to employment ,but you still buy the cheap overseas product and the money goes overseas to help some chinese family earn their $5.00 per day ,well heres a suggestion buy the imported crap ,and if or when you have children and they cant get a job think back to this thread and ponder the part you have played . ![]() ![]() Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 35May 05, 2007 6:22 pm ![]() Did this topic just change to "buying Aust jobs"? I thought we were discussing the potential toxicity of imports. OK ,then dont you think that what has been said so far would give you an indication of the TOXICITY of the foreign product .by standing the overseas manufacture ,australia has a standard for particle and mdf board ,we (and i mean australian companies) have to produce a (L.F.E)Low Formaldahyde Emission board to comply with australian regulations but the overseas companies can do what they like to poison us through their imported products , give me a break ,if you NEED to buy the bunnings and the auction crap then buy it , i could say a lot more but i am getting somewhat annoyed now that i think about a the young fellows resume that appeared this morning in my in box Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 36May 05, 2007 6:34 pm ![]() OK ,then dont you think that what has been said so far would give you an indication of the TOXICITY of the foreign product . That is what this discussion is trying to achieve I thought. To try and determine just what the facts are in regard to the products brought into question. So far we have some fairly strong suggestions that some, but not all of the products suggested to be unsafe are actually unsafe. My comments were based on my actual experience with one of the products and the information I have gathered from their representative, not my emotional attachment to the industry etc. They were offered in balance to your suggestion that general quality might be another reason to avoid them. You might find it easier to remain calm if you focussed on the gathering and supplying of evidence, rather than conjecture and stereotyping. Or instead you might prefer to continue to rant about the injustice of a global economy, and that's a worthy cause, but one probably best served in another topic. Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 37May 05, 2007 6:49 pm ![]() ![]() OK ,then dont you think that what has been said so far would give you an indication of the TOXICITY of the foreign product . That is what this discussion is trying to achieve I thought. To try and determine just what the facts are in regard to the products brought into question. So far we have some fairly strong suggestions that some, but not all of the products suggested to be unsafe are actually unsafe. My comments were based on my actual experience with one of the products and the information I have gathered from their representative, not my emotional attachment to the industry etc. They were offered in balance to your suggestion that general quality might be another reason to avoid them. You might find it easier to remain calm if you focussed on the gathering and supplying of evidence, rather than conjecture and stereotyping. Or instead you might prefer to continue to rant about the injustice of a global economy, and that's a worthy cause, but one probably best served in another topic. and thank god you are here ,i do stand humbled within your presence and aura ,believe or not ,i have been in this (my own )business for 26 years now ,so that probably makes me an old fart (SO MY 14 YEARS OLD SAYS) ,i base my assumptions on obversations i have had of the industry over these past years , i really dont care about if you buy the chinese crap for your project or not ,i DO CARE about the applicants i get from kids that are trying to get into the workforce everyday Re: imported flatpacks-proceed with caution, some are toxic 39May 05, 2007 10:57 pm ![]() Adrian B Mod / Remover of the spam, keeper of the forum, protector of the smiley faces ![]() ![]() Adrian, an addition for your signature perhaps?? Matt ![]() 6 5998 Thank you so much for the effort. We will use it to talk with builder. We also had idea of building duplex instead and seeking suggest ions. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=106744 11 8116 you already got the opinion of those on this path. They are telling you you dont have the requisite knowledge or time to make this work. Its quite obvious to me that as… 9 12294 |