Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Feb 17, 2009 11:52 am hey guys,
we are having some troubles trying to figure out what sort of overheads to have in one section of our kitchen where theres 2 x 135 deg walls 900mm apart .. its a weird little corner so we need some advice from anyone out there if possible. We dont want an appliance pantry or anything that will sit on the benchtop but wouldnt mind something with a microwave box built in maybe on the wall.. the section we need them for is from the LHS of the rangehood around to the window.. The overheads between the RHS of the rangehood and pantry are 300d x 495H so we'd like to keep the others the same apart from the microwave unit. anyway heres a quick 3D view i mocked up ; http://members.iinet.net.au/~armstronghome/3D.jpg and a topdown view of the corner wall.. http://members.iinet.net.au/~armstronghome/topdown.jpg Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 2Feb 17, 2009 8:37 pm That would be a good spot to hang the microwave.
The biggest problem I see is that a microwave wall unit normally needs to be a bit deeper than a 300 wall unit to hold the machine and provide a chimney/vent. Here is a quick layout I drew up to illustrate the basic issue: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The wall unit doors as are will foul with the microwave cabinet, but if you extend some narrow wall units either side of the microwave unit you may be able to obviate this problem - I will do some more work on this layout tomorrow if you like. Cheers, Earl Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 3Feb 17, 2009 9:53 pm Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 4Feb 18, 2009 8:15 am Thanks Earl, those pics are great and 100 times better than what i was getting from the 3D program i was using..
I had kinda thought about the microwave being a bit off centre but when i see it in 3D it kinda puts me off having it offset though.. might have to have a chat with the boss of the kitchen and see what she reckons.. of course it would be a 'disaster' if it didnt quite look right haha Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 5Feb 18, 2009 8:26 am If you want to centre the Microwave unit, then a solution to consider would be to make the wall unit directly to the right of it deeper than the unit on the other side of the hood so that it meets the Microwave unit at it's apex.
On this plan it is only about 113mm deeper and since you have the canopy hood between it and the other wall unit the difference would not be as noticeable as you might initially think. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cheers, Earl Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 6Feb 18, 2009 8:59 am thanks again Earl, when i get home im gonna get the tape out measure how far out 413mm comes out - the 900mm unit that is going to be on the RHS of the hood hasnt been ordered yet and i can get that custom made to be 413 deep instead of 300 if i ask them..
the pantry to the RHS of the 900mm unit above has an end panel thats 596mm deep so the 413 cabinet + 18mm doors will still leave the overhead set back 165mm from the front of the pantry end panel.. which i think is still enough so it will appear set back enough without looking strange. Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 7Feb 18, 2009 4:35 pm Sounds like a plan.
Just remember that those depths I used are nominal only; the wall unit (including door) depth will depend on the Microwave Unit depth. I specify my Wall Microwaves at 450mm deep but whoever is making your wall units will need to work out their overall depths in accordance to what depth (and width) you end up making your Microwave Unit. Here is a bit more development of your concept. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Good luck. Cheers, Earl Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 8Feb 19, 2009 8:12 am Earl that looks friggen awesome, pity your not in Perth haha!!
I definitely like that last drawing and will be printing off to give to our cabby !! One thing though, with the overheads either side of the rangehood, should the bottom of them be higher or lower than edges of the range hood - ours is a curved glass one and i always assumed the bottoms of the cabinet would sit about 100mm or so below the bottom of the glass edge ; Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Could you let me know or PM me what 3D software you are using to generate your images - as you can see mine look rather average in comparison haha.. Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 9Feb 19, 2009 8:48 am nang3 Earl that looks friggen awesome, pity your not in Perth haha!! Thanks Nang, you're very welcome... yeah it's a shame - if I was I could be invoicing you for this! Ha ha...seriously though, I like to keep in practice and drawing this sort of thing is always enjoyable for me if I have the time; one of the reasons I like my job. nang3 One thing though, with the overheads either side of the rangehood, should the bottom of them be higher or lower than edges of the range hood - ours is a curved glass one and i always assumed the bottoms of the cabinet would sit about 100mm or so below the bottom of the glass edge ; Could you let me know or PM me what 3D software you are using to generate your images - as you can see mine look rather average in comparison haha.. The illustrations I produced show your cabinets higher than the range hood simply because you specified 495H wall units and I worked off a finished kitchen height if 2100mm...because that's what it looked like to me. The minimum height for a rangehood or cabinets from a gas hob is 650mm, which is the height I put that rangehood in - your 495H Wall Units start at 705mm from the bench (measuring down from 2100). But this standard is based on the minimum height for "Non Fire Retardant Materials" which glass is not categorised as, so the glass parts of your canopy can hang lower if you want them to. The bottom of the wall units should not be closer than 650mm to the cooktop - but there is no reason a wall unit can not hang lower or higher than a rangehood. Personally I like to put cabinets in level with the bottom of a hood/canopy or higher, but it is really an aesthetic choice as long as the AS/NZS Standards are adhered to. I use SketchUp Pro for those 3D images, which is also available as a free download from Google (it is actually now Google SketchUp, but I have been using it since the days before Google bought it and can't bring myself to call it Google SketchUp). SketchUp is quite easy to use and is very intuitive; overall it is an fantastic package for concept work, which is mainly what I use it for. Like any other drawing software it takes a bit of practice but there are many excellent tutorials available as well as an incredibly large online SketchUp users community who have drawn up and made available many exisiting objects (that's where I got the rangehood from). It even lets you texture map surfaces with JPEGs as well as proving many excellent material simulations including various translucent and transparent glass finishes. It's almost a shame that such an great package is free AND easy to use, as it has devalued my skill set as a designer somewhat. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cheers, Earl Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 10Feb 19, 2009 12:19 pm thanks again Earl !! I would gladly pay you to make this cabinet up if you were local - its bloody hard getting good work done over here !!
Our rangehood is about 750 off the gas hobs so the 495 overheads come down about 100 past the glass of the hood.. i better check the distance from carcass to hob just to make sure though !! I looked at your website and it says you can make a “Special Cut” cabinet to make use of available space - is this kind of unit the thing you'd do??? if so can you maybe PM me a rough price on to get it made up, minus the doors??? i also grabbed a copy of Sketch-Up and will give it a go this afternoon.. thanks for all your help so far mate !! Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 11Feb 19, 2009 1:05 pm Nang - no worries.
We can get most types of cabinets made to order - just shoot me the exact specifications of the cabinetry you require; height, depth, width et cetera and I can put an estimate of what we would charge you to supply. Don't forget to mention if the cabinet will have exposed sides (require covering end panels) or if it is something like the Wall Microwave Unit maybe also the minimum size you would want for a cavity to match your machine - otherwise we do Microwave Units with cavities 600mm Wide x 350mm High @ 450mm Deep as standard. Please feel free to use the email address on the site or PM me as per your preference. Have fun with SketchUp. Cheers, Earl Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 12Feb 19, 2009 1:18 pm thanks mate, il get some final exact measurements and work on it tonight !!!
I will leave the doors and end panels out of the quote as a local mob has made up all the rest of our panels so they will give a perfect colour match (hopefully!) .. the only other thing il need once i give you the final dimensions of the carcasses is the dimensions of the doors that will be needed - i dont think i can work that out myself, well the heights are OK just not sure on the width of the two doors that meet at a 135º angle.. cheers Re: Overhead cabinet suggestions for 2 x 135deg wall?? 13Feb 21, 2009 1:26 pm Instead of the 900 wide drawers, use a 600 and then the other side of the oven can be an underbench microwave. Above can then be all 300 deep wall units with out the tedious joinery
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