Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Jun 06, 2020 10:10 am Hey guys, just need some advice on the wall finishing. Can you please share your experience on drywall VS plastered wall? What are the advantages and disadvantages of them? I am building in WA. As you know we have a lot of issues around soft plasters, paint peeling, cracking etc. I looking to build with new generation homes, part of the summit group. They are offering a $1500 upgrade to their summit superwall. I am thinking whether is it worth it to go for their superwall - drywall? Because of the possible risk of problems later if I choose to go for wet plaster. Also advantage for painting on drywall? Thanks guys! Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 2Jun 06, 2020 10:42 am Longsighted Welcome to the forum As a structural engineer I am not a big fan of gyprock masking/covering up poorly built Structural brickwork. It boils down to preference would you prefer to fix a crack when first noticed or have a wall unexpectedly fall on you? OT, If builders aren't able to find qualified quality bricklayers, supervisors and plasterers then home owners should look else where Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 3Jun 06, 2020 11:45 am StructuralBIMGuy @Longsighted Welcome to the forum As a structural engineer I am not a big fan of gyprock masking/covering up poorly built Structural brickwork. It boils down to preference would you prefer to fix a crack when first noticed or have a wall unexpectedly fall on you? OT, If builders aren't able to find qualified quality bricklayers, supervisors and plasterers then home owners should look else where Cheers Chris Yes very true. Good advice. I am someone who have no idea about building. First home buyer. I would probably hire a building inspector to follow through the whole build process. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 4Jun 06, 2020 3:16 pm Go Drywall hands down. 55% of the building commissions complaints are in relationship to internal float and set. Get a building inspector if your worried about the quality of bricklaying, but if you dryline or use internal float and set you will have the same result if the brickwork is bad, they both crack, so I don't believe it's a reason to got to float and set, never heard of an internal wall falling down either because it's Drylined on brickwork, its a silly statement. You get a much crisper finish with Drylining I think you will see a greater transition to it over the next 12 to 18 months in Perth also no cornice cracking either with Drylining. Summit is a very reputable company so I'm sure they will do the right thing. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 5Jun 06, 2020 5:42 pm Doozer1905 , but if you dryline or use internal float and set you will have the same result if the brickwork is bad, they both crack, so I don't believe it's a reason to got to float and set, never heard of an internal wall falling down either because it's Drylined on brickwork, its a silly statement. Why is it silly? have you never heard of un-reinforced brick walls & columns collapsing? Gyprock & plaster adds no structural stability whatsoever, the fact is gyprock covers up potential hazards beneath,ie bending,tensile stresses,etc, let me refer to the masonry codes and use some common sense, in that you would rather want to see cracks in brickwork and plaster and vacate than have a sudden catastrophic failure and not see it coming. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 7Jun 07, 2020 10:45 am I don't see Gyprock as an up-grade Tell them to reinforce the brickwork, then no one cares about the cracking that you can't see..... Now that's an upgrade Cheers Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 8Jun 08, 2020 2:19 pm Longsighted Hey guys, just need some advice on the wall finishing. Can you please share your experience on drywall VS plastered wall? What are the advantages and disadvantages of them? I am building in WA. As you know we have a lot of issues around soft plasters, paint peeling, cracking etc. I looking to build with new generation homes, part of the summit group. They are offering a $1500 upgrade to their summit superwall. I am thinking whether is it worth it to go for their superwall - drywall? Because of the possible risk of problems later if I choose to go for wet plaster. Also advantage for painting on drywall? Thanks guys! $1500? Definitely worth it. Given the history of poor finishes with plaster/whiteset in WA builds it's high time we moved away from it. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 9Jun 10, 2020 10:00 pm I have never heard of a wall collapsing in a residential build in the last 20 years without other factors influencing why the wall came down. So on average 15,000 new homes in WA a year and basically no failures, there could be some but it would be extremely rare, you are using it as a reason to not dryline so it's not an argument with logic. Plasterboard is a superior finish, thats not my opinion thats fact and you will still get cracking lines in plasterboard if there is some type of structural issue. Float and Set covers up bad brickwork and you also have the inherent problems with delamination from the brickwork, painting issues and cornice cracking thus why such a high rate of building commissions complaints (over half) which saw them do a complete investigation into float and set some years ago. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 10Jun 11, 2020 7:04 am Again Superior Gyrock or plaster finishes is not a structural component... reinforced brickwork is a point that eludes you. I draw your attention to brick columns which are now reinforced, It only takes a death from a sudden collapse then the regulations are tightened Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 11Jun 11, 2020 7:17 am StructuralBIMGuy Again Superior Gyrock or plaster finishes is not a structural component... reinforced brickwork is a point that eludes you. I draw your attention to brick columns which are now reinforced, It only takes a death from a sudden collapse then the regulations are tightened Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 12Jun 11, 2020 8:03 am Also while the battlers and punters are considering Gyprock and cornice cracking They should also evaluate Steel Truss expansion and Cornice cracking in Perth hot summers. HTH Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 13Jun 11, 2020 9:09 am Listen to what Dozer says he is correct. It is time Perth moved away from plaster set walls. And double brick for that matter. For the life of me I can't work out why it should be an upgrade. Had 3 builders price our build and only 1 would even consider it. Blueprint will do it as standard. Alcocks and Content wouldn't. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 14Jun 11, 2020 12:44 pm Properly machined done gypsum or lime polymer plaster will be always superior solution when comparing to gyprock. From nearly all perspectives: 1) Mechanical stability - gyprock is not even closely comparable to plastered surface; 2) Thermal and acoustic performance; 3) Wall space - you can't attach gyprock directly to the brick wall, it will require battens, battens + gyprock will be eating out more room space internally; 4) Aesthetics - once primed, you will be able to achieve much smoother/better finishes, including decorative plaster finishes which won't be available with gyprock; 5) Feel and reliability - plastered walls are felt more solid and much less prone to accidental damage with furniture, etc.; Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 15Jun 11, 2020 12:52 pm Doozer1905 I have never heard of a wall collapsing in a residential build in the last 20 years without other factors influencing why the wall came down. So on average 15,000 new homes in WA a year and basically no failures, there could be some but it would be extremely rare, you are using it as a reason to not dryline so it's not an argument with logic. Plasterboard is a superior finish, thats not my opinion thats fact and you will still get cracking lines in plasterboard if there is some type of structural issue. Float and Set covers up bad brickwork and you also have the inherent problems with delamination from the brickwork, painting issues and cornice cracking thus why such a high rate of building commissions complaints (over half) which saw them do a complete investigation into float and set some years ago. I would argue that plasterboard is more superior finish as you probably haven't seen how properly plastered gypsum wall (which is primed twice and grouted after rendering) looks like when comparing to gyprock, even if gyprock is completely primed to level 5 finish, it won't be nearly close. The only reason why gyprock is more commonly used is lack of quality tradies, although modern plastering technologies including machines and equipment almost completely address this problem (a team of 4 can plaster up to 120 sqm a day with very consistent quality). Technologies evolve and plastering today and plastering 20 years ago are 2 different stories. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 17Jun 11, 2020 4:32 pm Norfolk @alex79 I am impressed by the breadth and depth of your knowledge! How do you know all this stuff? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 18Jun 12, 2020 10:17 am Norfolk @alexp79 I am impressed by the breadth and depth of your knowledge! How do you know all this stuff? I was plastering/renovating my apartments in Europe and will be plastering my current build-in-progress in Sydney too Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 19Jun 12, 2020 1:52 pm Brett0004 Listen to what Dozer says he is correct. It is time Perth moved away from plaster set walls. And double brick for that matter. For the life of me I can't work out why it should be an upgrade. Had 3 builders price our build and only 1 would even consider it. Blueprint will do it as standard. Alcocks and Content wouldn't. Agreed We had our house built by Alcock. Paid a premium price and ended up with walls that look like they've been plastered by a 3 year old. Even found some handprints in one wall. Cracks in the same places as the seasons come and go which need fixing every year. Wall in the entry that faces onto the garage was done with plasterboard - the only wall in the house where we don't have cracking and where there's a perfectly smooth finish. Re: Drywall (summit superwall) VS white set plaster wall 20Jun 12, 2020 1:55 pm alexp79 Doozer1905 I have never heard of a wall collapsing in a residential build in the last 20 years without other factors influencing why the wall came down. So on average 15,000 new homes in WA a year and basically no failures, there could be some but it would be extremely rare, you are using it as a reason to not dryline so it's not an argument with logic. Plasterboard is a superior finish, thats not my opinion thats fact and you will still get cracking lines in plasterboard if there is some type of structural issue. Float and Set covers up bad brickwork and you also have the inherent problems with delamination from the brickwork, painting issues and cornice cracking thus why such a high rate of building commissions complaints (over half) which saw them do a complete investigation into float and set some years ago. I would argue that plasterboard is more superior finish as you probably haven't seen how properly plastered gypsum wall (which is primed twice and grouted after rendering) looks like when comparing to gyprock, even if gyprock is completely primed to level 5 finish, it won't be nearly close. The only reason why gyprock is more commonly used is lack of quality tradies, although modern plastering technologies including machines and equipment almost completely address this problem (a team of 4 can plaster up to 120 sqm a day with very consistent quality). Technologies evolve and plastering today and plastering 20 years ago are 2 different stories. Trouble is in WA the builders don't use equipment. It's a couple of guys slapping stuff onto the walls and then waving a trowel at it. Possibly if the builders used good tradies, instead of the cheapest they can find, and the correct gear Plastering might be better but until they do plasterboard is a better bet. Thank you so much. 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