It's a game of pass the parcel to those involved... and sorry to say the client always ends up it/paying.
Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 41Nov 08, 2019 9:46 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 43Nov 08, 2019 10:12 am Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 51Nov 08, 2019 11:12 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 53Nov 08, 2019 11:48 am chippy It all comes back to the walls of the butler's pantry. They are built in the wrong place and it's all flowed from there. I'm a carpenter who also has a cabinet making workshop. If I'm building cabinetry for a builder I'd initially quote on the supplied plans. When it comes time to actually build the cabinetry you go on site and do a check measure so you are building too what is actually there. If I had been building your cabinetry, once I realised that the walls that have been built didn't match the plans I would have gone back to the builder to find out why. I can only assume they would have done that, but maybe not. Ultimately the cabinet maker has built the cabinetry to suit the walls that are already there, and has then made the kitchen to suit. The question again is who allowed for the variation in the walls Yep thanks so much. We are going back to the builder now to ask his side. The architect said “ On the floor plan the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboard does not line up with the bedroom wing corridor. Also the hall cupboard does not line up with the adjacent door opening“ This is correct but disingenuous as the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboards themselves are meant to line up. The architect must feel they are involved otherwise they would have just straight out blamed the builder? Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 54Nov 08, 2019 11:59 am sunny74 chippy It all comes back to the walls of the butler's pantry. They are built in the wrong place and it's all flowed from there. I'm a carpenter who also has a cabinet making workshop. If I'm building cabinetry for a builder I'd initially quote on the supplied plans. When it comes time to actually build the cabinetry you go on site and do a check measure so you are building too what is actually there. If I had been building your cabinetry, once I realised that the walls that have been built didn't match the plans I would have gone back to the builder to find out why. I can only assume they would have done that, but maybe not. Ultimately the cabinet maker has built the cabinetry to suit the walls that are already there, and has then made the kitchen to suit. The question again is who allowed for the variation in the walls Yep thanks so much. We are going back to the builder now to ask his side. The architect said “ On the floor plan the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboard does not line up with the bedroom wing corridor. Also the hall cupboard does not line up with the adjacent door opening“ This is correct but disingenuous as the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboards themselves are meant to line up. The architect must feel they are involved otherwise they would have just straight out blamed the builder? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 55Nov 08, 2019 12:28 pm sunny74 sunny74 chippy It all comes back to the walls of the butler's pantry. They are built in the wrong place and it's all flowed from there. I'm a carpenter who also has a cabinet making workshop. If I'm building cabinetry for a builder I'd initially quote on the supplied plans. When it comes time to actually build the cabinetry you go on site and do a check measure so you are building too what is actually there. If I had been building your cabinetry, once I realised that the walls that have been built didn't match the plans I would have gone back to the builder to find out why. I can only assume they would have done that, but maybe not. Ultimately the cabinet maker has built the cabinetry to suit the walls that are already there, and has then made the kitchen to suit. The question again is who allowed for the variation in the walls Yep thanks so much. We are going back to the builder now to ask his side. The architect said “ On the floor plan the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboard does not line up with the bedroom wing corridor. Also the hall cupboard does not line up with the adjacent door opening“ This is correct but disingenuous as the kitchen and adjacent hall cupboards themselves are meant to line up. The architect must feel they are involved otherwise they would have just straight out blamed the builder? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Yep. Walls to pantry are built wrong. If you can get to the bottom on who did it or approved it you will have the answer as to who to go after. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 56Nov 08, 2019 12:49 pm And, it's an extremely expensive mistake or deviation so I would expect whoever is responsible will fight it tooth and nail to not have to rectify it or will just offer a cash settlement. To build it to the plans now, involves structural, plaster, flooring, paint and all new cabinetry. $$$$$ Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 57Nov 08, 2019 12:58 pm chippy And, it's an extremely expensive mistake or deviation so I would expect whoever is responsible will fight it tooth and nail to not have to rectify it or will just offer a cash settlement. To build it to the plans now, involves structural, plaster, flooring, paint and all new cabinetry. $$$$$ Thanks so much Chippy, just want what we were shown and paid for as the end product ie don’t want to do anyone over. Guess they will have to weight up legal costs compared to cost of repairs Once again that’s me for your help clearing it up, if ever in Noosa give us a shout and will take you out for a few beers! Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 58Nov 08, 2019 1:14 pm Noosa is one of my favourite places. Might take you up some day.😀 Good luck with it all. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 59Nov 11, 2019 11:18 am chippy It all comes back to the walls of the butler's pantry. They are built in the wrong place and it's all flowed from there. Ok I’ve done some more work and got plans off the council. The wall in the pantry has been correctly built to the floor plan but not to the architects kitchen detail plan. I'm a carpenter who also has a cabinet making workshop. If I'm building cabinetry for a builder I'd initially quote on the supplied plans. When it comes time to actually build the cabinetry you go on site and do a check measure so you are building too what is actually there. The cabinet maker then seems to have built the cabinetry to part of the kitchen detail plan and partly not to. If I had been building your cabinetry, once I realised that the walls that have been built didn't match the plans I would have gone back to the builder to find out why. I can only assume they would have done that, but maybe not. Yes there was some discussion here but not involving us, all we were told was the kitchen hob workbench would be slightly smaller and we figured that’s because we bought the largest induction cooktop. Ultimately the cabinet maker has built the cabinetry to suit the walls that are already there, and has then made the kitchen to suit. The question again is who allowed for the variation in the walls It seems the architects kitchen detail plan not lining up with her floor plan is the issue , but yes there is no variations on price or anything... Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 60Nov 11, 2019 11:59 am Hi Sunny The only thing I don't understand about that is that the carpenters that framed up the house would have used the floor plan for all dimensions. I'm assuming that they built the walls of the pantry and not the cabinet maker. So technically all the walls should have been built in the correct position as per the correct floor plans and the cabinet maker would have built to those. Unless the walls to the pantry are part of the cabinetry, then I can see how a difference in the floor plan and cabinet detail would have caught them out. What ever the case, I'd be 100% sure a conversation was had about the difference in the two sets of plans. If I was the cabinet maker I would of been asking the builder why there was a difference. If I was the builder, I would of been asking the architect why the difference. I'm starting to think that the Architect has made a mistake and then has likely made a decision on the fly that is now coming back to bite them on the bum. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Your build is relatively simple, I believe your job can be easily done by a good building designer, you really do not need to pay for the architect. Remember, architect's… 3 10984 I've just had a look at the website. The company are just building broker's. There are plenty of similar companies that basically draw your plans (they own them so you… 8 10917 Really tight at the top of the stairs- how to get furniture into those rooms? Study books - does anyone really use them these days? Large storage closet would be more functional. 2 6884 |