They follow this guide in regards to inspection distance and natural light etc.
A lot of architects, builders and tradepersons do not know all of the regulations or understand the applicable Hierarchy. Homeone is rife with such examples.
Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Another defective house story 41Apr 27, 2019 6:23 pm MyFirst Yes but the irony is my builder send me this guide before PCI. They follow this guide in regards to inspection distance and natural light etc. A lot of architects, builders and tradepersons do not know all of the regulations or understand the applicable Hierarchy. Homeone is rife with such examples. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Another defective house story 42Apr 27, 2019 6:25 pm SaveH2O Did they also give you the CSIRO Guide To Foundation And Slab Maintenance? Unless it has been recently updated, it advises of a non compliant slope away from the building but if you have a concrete path with the advised slope laid to protect a house on reactive soil against heave and there is heave later on, they will use the non compliant slope as a Get Out Of Jail Free card. My builder did not include the csiro guide in handover documents. They included the VBA guide that talks about minimising foundation movement. Re: Another defective house story 43Apr 27, 2019 6:29 pm Save H2O, they seem to have a lot of Get Out Of Free cards. I found it really interesting the engineers that are contracted to come and check out the house and provide report look for where the home owner is at fault, or the neighbors are at fault as they planted some trees. I’ve been looking into Owner Builders on VBA website and need some clarification. In my case, I purchased a newly built house through real estate. The block was owned by the builder (who also has a building company) and he also built this house. After my house he’s has gone on to build many houses/unit developments, purchasing the properties and demolishing the old houses on them to build units and then selling them. Wouldn’t this be called an Owner Builder and do they have to live in the house and can only build every 5 years? Another question. If pipes were laid during construction under concrete and these are found to have been broken and then repaired with silicon (but not properly) then does this go against AS? Who is at fault, the plumber or the builder, or maybe it was the concreter when laying the path. Re: Another defective house story 44Apr 27, 2019 6:30 pm The recent thread below is a prime example of the extent of non compliance because architects, the builder, site supervisor, plumber, building surveyor etc did not know a basic regulation. viewtopic.php?p=1839073#p1839073 I wonder how many affected homeowners with the non compliance have been contacted. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Another defective house story 45Apr 27, 2019 6:40 pm MyFirst SaveH2O Did they also give you the CSIRO Guide To Foundation And Slab Maintenance? Unless it has been recently updated, it advises of a non compliant slope away from the building but if you have a concrete path with the advised slope laid to protect a house on reactive soil against heave and there is heave later on, they will use the non compliant slope as a Get Out Of Jail Free card. My builder did not include the csiro guide in handover documents. They included the VBA guide that talks about minimising foundation movement. I also did not receive the CSIRO Guide to Foundation and Slab Maintenance in my Section 32 when I purchased my home. The landscaping including paths were completed by the builder (owner). They did not have the required slope. Re: Another defective house story 46Apr 27, 2019 6:50 pm Harts I’ve been looking into Owner Builders on VBA website and need some clarification. In my case, I purchased a newly built house through real estate. The block was owned by the builder (who also has a building company) and he also built this house. After my house he’s has gone on to build many houses/unit developments, purchasing the properties and demolishing the old houses on them to build units and then selling them. Wouldn’t this be called an Owner Builder and do they have to live in the house and can only build every 5 years? This is not my area of expertise but my understanding is the same as yours. Someone else is bound to confirm or otherwise. Governance is very poor in Vic. How do you know who owned the houses built? Harts Another question. If pipes were laid during construction under concrete and these are found to have been broken and then repaired with silicon (but not properly) then does this go against AS? Who is at fault, the plumber or the builder, or maybe it was the concreter when laying the path. It is hard to imagine that the pipes were laid in a damaged state because pvc pipes are so cheap but some plumbers are lacking in ethics. Out of sight...out of mind. If they are stormwater pipes, they need a minimum of 100mm cover in a non vehicular area and a good concreter would know where stormwater pipes are most likely to be. Unfortunately, you will never know who is responsible. Was the concreter contracted by you after handover? EDIT: I just read the previous post that stated that the builder laid the path with a non compliant slope pre handover. I always recommend that an inspection camera is put down every drain pre handover and it is not only to inspect the pipes and joins. You would be shocked at what gets thrown down open pipes...excess grout, food scraps, bits of tile, Jimmy Hoffa...anything is possible. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Another defective house story 47Apr 27, 2019 7:34 pm SaveH2O Harts I’ve been looking into Owner Builders on VBA website and need some clarification. In my case, I purchased a newly built house through real estate. The block was owned by the builder (who also has a building company) and he also built this house. After my house he’s has gone on to build many houses/unit developments, purchasing the properties and demolishing the old houses on them to build units and then selling them. Wouldn’t this be called an Owner Builder and do they have to live in the house and can only build every 5 years? This is not my area of expertise but my understanding is the same as yours. Someone else is bound to confirm or otherwise. Governance is very poor in Vic. How do you know who owned the houses built? Harts Another question. If pipes were laid during construction under concrete and these are found to have been broken and then repaired with silicon (but not properly) then does this go against AS? Who is at fault, the plumber or the builder, or maybe it was the concreter when laying the path. It is hard to imagine that the pipes were laid in a damaged state because pvc pipes are so cheap but some plumbers are lacking in ethics. Out of sight...out of mind. If they are stormwater pipes, they need a minimum of 100mm cover in a non vehicular area and a good concreter would know where stormwater pipes are most likely to be. Unfortunately, you will never know who is responsible. Was the concreter contracted by you after handover? EDIT: I just read the previous post that stated that the builder laid the path with a non compliant slope pre handover. I always recommend that an inspection camera is put down every drain pre handover and it is not only to inspect the pipes and joins. You would be shocked at what gets thrown down open pipes...excess grout, food scraps, bits of tile, Jimmy Hoffa...anything is possible. My section 32 definitely states that he is the owner with his wife. I have done some extensive research and my findings are, he buys the block, clears it and builds units. He sells the units using the same realestate agent each time. He also has numerous ABN's. His FB site shows his builds, finished product and then link to realestate.com Stormwater pipes (90mm) are under concrete at 250mm deep. The concrete was laid by the builders concreter. I purchased the house with the landscaping completed. In an earlier comment, I posted pics of the layout of pipes and defects from CCTV footage. Here is a pic of break in pipe and patch up job. This is just one of the pipes. Stormwater pipePatched with silicon Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Another defective house story 48Apr 27, 2019 8:27 pm It sounds like you bought it as an established house. If so, then I would think that the handover included any faults that occurred during the seller's ownership but this is just an opinion. It is not in my area of expertise. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Another defective house story 50Apr 27, 2019 9:21 pm We have so many problems in our building industry,I learnt about 20 years ago,it's all about what I know and learnt as you must trust almost no one,learn lots about your next step, seek out consciousness experts,don't be fooled by best advertising.i apply this to every meaningful purchase and it has made a huge difference in my purchases. Re: Another defective house story 51May 01, 2019 6:34 pm Thanks Joker, I am reading up on absolutely everything and also passed building VCAT cases. Wish I could get hold of the AS and BCA. Receiving the Engineering report from the Builder’s insurance company and reading untruths certainly makes it clear to me not to trust anyone. Not sure how he’s going to justify his deception at VCAT? I’m sure his ‘expert’ status will be discredited. Problem is hundreds of other home owners will be having to go down the road I am because the insurance company made their decision of the builder not being liable from his report. Re: Another defective house story 52May 01, 2019 7:44 pm The BCA is Parts 1 & 2 of the National Construction Code (NCC) and the Plumbing Code of Australia (PCA) is Part 3 of the NCC. The new 2019 NCC came into affect today and will last 3 years. The NCC can be downloaded free of charge and the previous 2016 version, although now archived, should still be able to be downloaded as well. If you have problems downloading for whatever reason, let me know because I can Email them to you. The AS are expensive. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Another defective house story 54May 26, 2019 11:30 pm Insurer sends out an engineer who falsified his report. Insurer claims, builder not liable for the structural damage to my home and grossly defective slab. Regarding the engineers false report, is there an authority that I can report this time? Or, just like all the building authority departments, it will be a wait of time? It is obvious the insurer and engineer have colluded, is there a Code of Practice or Professional Conduct for Engineers? Re: Another defective house story 55May 27, 2019 6:25 am [quote="Harts"]Insurer sends out an engineer who falsified his report. Insurer claims, builder not liable for the structural damage to my home and grossly defective slab. Regarding the engineers false report, is there an authority that I can report this time? Or, just like all the building authority departments, it will be a wait of time? It is obvious the insurer and engineer have colluded, is there a Code of Practice or Professional Conduct for Engineers? [/https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/About-Us/Corporate-Governance/Board Re: Another defective house story 56May 27, 2019 9:19 am Harts Insurer sends out an engineer who falsified his report. Insurer claims, builder not liable for the structural damage to my home and grossly defective slab. You and your Engineer will need to prove that in a Civil Court Goodluck, with that if you don't have all the evidence as it will turn into a legal picnic and lawyers feast Harts Regarding the engineers false report, is there an authority that I can report this time? Or, just like all the building authority departments, it will be a wait of time? It is obvious the insurer and engineer have colluded, is there a Code of Practice or Professional Conduct for Engineers? There is a non binding Code of Practice Victoria seems to be the worse, hence the need for an Victorian Engineers Act 2018? https://www.professionalengineers.org.au/update-engineers-registration-bill-2018/ Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Another defective house story 57May 29, 2019 9:59 pm Thank you for the links. I have the evidence builder's insurance Engineer provided a deceptive and misleading report, so hopefully we will not be eaten alive at VCAT. - he wrote 3 pages on discussing the trees lining along my garage wall but there are no trees there. - apparently I have a tiled roof, which is news to me. - Stated I first reported problems to builder in 2017. But I have many emails dating back to 2012 to the builder regarding the many problems and the builder response including coming back and band-aiding the problems. - Claimed that 9 months from a large tree being removed from the block is enough time for the soil to return to normal conditions. The Engineer came armed with his golf ball and spirit level for his 'expert' opinion that he also stated in the report that it was a 'preliminary' report because he hadn't received all the building plans. The insurer made their decision that the builder was not liable based on this 'preliminary' report. The insurer was mislead by the engineer. I’m sure they have all colluded to ensure the report didn’t include the real issues with my home. No wonder the lawyers are smiling, i’m funding their early retirement. Re: Another defective house story 58May 30, 2019 10:31 am Harts Thank you for the links. I have the evidence builder's insurance Engineer provided a deceptive and misleading report, so hopefully we will not be eaten alive at VCAT. - he wrote 3 pages on discussing the trees lining along my garage wall but there are no trees there. - apparently I have a tiled roof, which is news to me. - Stated I first reported problems to builder in 2017. But I have many emails dating back to 2012 to the builder regarding the many problems and the builder response including coming back and band-aiding the problems. - Claimed that 9 months from a large tree being removed from the block is enough time for the soil to return to normal conditions. The Engineer came armed with his golf ball and spirit level for his 'expert' opinion that he also stated in the report that it was a 'preliminary' report because he hadn't received all the building plans. The insurer made their decision that the builder was not liable based on this 'preliminary' report. The insurer was mislead by the engineer. I’m sure they have all colluded to ensure the report didn’t include the real issues with my home. No wonder the lawyers are smiling, i’m funding their early retirement. If he turns up with that evidence he’s going to make himself look a real fool Won’t be the first engineer I have come across to get it totally wrong ! Wish you all the best Re: Another defective house story 59May 30, 2019 5:16 pm Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Is there an insurance ombudsman? I have known of builders losing their capability to obtain insurance because of past claims. If he can’t get anymore insurance he can no longer build, I bet this is what it’s all about . They don’t care about your costs or welfare only their own and will do anything even produce false statements to protect themselves. Best of luck and keep us informed. Re: Another defective house story 60Jun 01, 2019 12:58 pm Tim65 Harts Thank you for the links. I have the evidence builder's insurance Engineer provided a deceptive and misleading report, so hopefully we will not be eaten alive at VCAT. - he wrote 3 pages on discussing the trees lining along my garage wall but there are no trees there. - apparently I have a tiled roof, which is news to me. - Stated I first reported problems to builder in 2017. But I have many emails dating back to 2012 to the builder regarding the many problems and the builder response including coming back and band-aiding the problems. - Claimed that 9 months from a large tree being removed from the block is enough time for the soil to return to normal conditions. The Engineer came armed with his golf ball and spirit level for his 'expert' opinion that he also stated in the report that it was a 'preliminary' report because he hadn't received all the building plans. The insurer made their decision that the builder was not liable based on this 'preliminary' report. The insurer was mislead by the engineer. I’m sure they have all colluded to ensure the report didn’t include the real issues with my home. No wonder the lawyers are smiling, i’m funding their early retirement. If he turns up with that evidence he’s going to make himself look a real fool Won’t be the first engineer I have come across to get it totally wrong ! Wish you all the best Thanks Tim65, I'm hoping he does turn up with his 'expert' evidence and then VCAT can see that it was collusion with the Loss Adjuster and Insurance Company. It will be interesting how he will try to worm himself out of it. Zorro6 I have contacted AFCA complaints and they say because it is the builder's insurance policy and not mine then they cannot help me. It's just a never ending story of government departments who say they cannot assist. 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