Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Aug 21, 2008 8:08 pm I've got 2 questions here...
1. Do you always need an undercoat or pre coat of paint before the main paint goes on? Like, for instance, if you use either Dulux Wash & Wear, would you also need an undercoat first?? Or if you use Taubmans Easy something (sorry, can't remember the full name! Easy Coat, maybe?), does it need an undercoat?? The info only says 2 coats are needed, but then the actual brands of paint also sell undercoats and sealers and stuff...do you need all of it?? 2. In your experience, is it best once you find a colour you like and want to use on your walls, to just go with that brand (say Taubmans for instance), or is it better in any way to get your painter to go to say Dulux and get them to mix the exact colour? (although...is this risky because the colour chart paper card things don't always match up exactly to the REAL colour, and what if the Taubmans colour mixed ends up different to the Dulux copy mixed?) Thank you How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 2Aug 21, 2008 10:36 pm I was talking to my painter today and I asked him about the new products )ie no undercoat products) and his opinion was that weren't as good actually used a similar amount of paint (and therefore not really cheaper)and didn't wear as well.
But again more coats equals more money for him. Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 3Aug 22, 2008 9:15 am In short it depends on what you are doing, if the wall is bare plaster then an undercoat would be on the cards, if you are changing the color of an already painted wall in good condition then you could skip it and never notice. If the wall has been patched or has obvious texture difference across its surface from a poor previous job then I'd recommend giving it a layer of undercoat try to even that up a bit. Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 4Aug 22, 2008 12:21 pm Thank you for that.
What about my second question re having say, a Taubmans colour mixed by Dulux as opposed to just going with Taubmans? How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 5Aug 22, 2008 12:23 pm mikkyG In short it depends on what you are doing, if the wall is bare plaster then an undercoat would be on the cards, if you are changing the color of an already painted wall in good condition then you could skip it and never notice. If the wall has been patched or has obvious texture difference across its surface from a poor previous job then I'd recommend giving it a layer of undercoat try to even that up a bit. New whatever - undercoat Undercoat won't fix unevenness. Fill and sand....undercoat the area to seal it, paint. Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 6Aug 22, 2008 3:24 pm _Al_ mikkyG In short it depends on what you are doing, if the wall is bare plaster then an undercoat would be on the cards, if you are changing the color of an already painted wall in good condition then you could skip it and never notice. If the wall has been patched or has obvious texture difference across its surface from a poor previous job then I'd recommend giving it a layer of undercoat try to even that up a bit. New whatever - undercoat Undercoat won't fix unevenness. Fill and sand....undercoat the area to seal it, paint. We've fixed MANY obvious patch ups on walls using an undercoat and a roller with a thick nap. And have changed color on a wall from Blue -> Brown, Yellow - > white, Yellow -> beige all without an undercoat and it looks the ducks nuts. Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 7Aug 22, 2008 3:57 pm It's best to go by the manufactures instructions. Paint is basicly CHEMICALS.
So .... if you don't mix chamicals quite right, your not going to get what you think. Mixing brands is another no no. Might work OK when you first paint it, but who knows what will happen with time. And paint companies change their product all the time, so it may work the first time but if there's been any changes you could end up with a very expensive mess to fix. This isn't so critical with water based products. But watch out with polyurethanes or nitrocellulose products. Finally ..... Base coats seal the surface and make sure you get a good finish with your final coat. Timbacare - Save Your Furniture! We can help you revive timber furniture & flooring www.timbacare.com.au Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 8Aug 22, 2008 4:09 pm Timbacare...I'd appreciate your comments on an issue I had https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.p ... ht=bogging mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 9Aug 22, 2008 4:49 pm Graceslick...you mean like when you go to Bunnings and get paint mixed (I know not to anymore)
but when you go there and you give them a 10lt tin of dulux white and ask for it to be tinted a Taubmans colour???? Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 10Aug 22, 2008 8:06 pm Um...I mean, like...say I want a certain colour that is only available (as a named colour, like Portland Stone, for instance) in Taubmans. But I want to use all Dulux paints.
Is it ok for the painter I hire to get Dulux paint but have Dulux (not Bunnings I assume) create the Portland Stone Taubmans colour but in a Dulux paint?? (Is there something wrong with having Bunnings mix paint?!?!) How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Do you always need a prep/undercoat of paint? 11Aug 22, 2008 8:30 pm Ok, as far as I know it should be no probs. One thing you could do to make it easier for dulux to say yes is to find out the code of the paint.
Someone else might be able to correct me if I am wrong but the code refers to the amount of each colour they use to make up your colour like 10% black 20%yellow 25% white and these percentages make up portland stone. So either way maybe give a Dulux trade centre a call in the morning they can tell you for sure and make sure you check out the Dulux Portland Stone anyway you might find its very similar. As for Bunnings and Paint ,here in Perth they have stopped doing wattyl so you don't get a full range and they are a bit pricey compared to going straight to your paint centre. Lots of posts have given negative feedback about using Bunnings for paint. Colour matching & colour names 13Aug 24, 2008 10:10 pm If you spot a colour you want in any brand of paint, get the name, code, number or cataloge the colour is in and give all the details to your painter.
As an example why ..... Dulux have a Master Pallet of their colours. Every now & then they will release a colour "range" EG Directions in White cataloge. If you compare the same named swatches in the Master Pallet to the Directions In White cataloge there can be quite a differance. So, make sure you get as many details about your choosen colour as you can!! And sometimes you may find that a company can not reproduce the colour of another company. Different companies use different base colours and different brands of tinter. So the tinting code from one company will transpose dirrectly to another companies. Colours that can be hard to match from an opposition company can be metallics, powder coat and special effect colours. Timbacare - Save Your Furniture! We can help you revive timber furniture & flooring www.timbacare.com.au Looking to start the journey of becoming an owner builder in SA. Feeling pretty (overly) confident on the building and construction details, but really struggling to find… 0 8419 Thankyou so much 😀 I've decided on White on white for doors and trims, White on white 50% on ceiling and Mt buller for walls. Fingers crossed it will look OK 😀 2 7165 Thank you. That is really helpful. Once we get the place done and passed for OC we can upgrade in the future once we get back on our feet and not paying mortgage and rent. 4 5727 |