Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Sep 20, 2015 4:28 pm Can anyone please tell me what I can expect the highlighted area to look like? The SC told me painted it will look the same as rendering... but then why would people pay to render? We have paid $26,500 to upgrade to this facade (best of a bad bunch unfortunately), but I am now wondering if the FC sheeting will all come in a single sheet where indicated, or whether there will be joins. We have our colour appointment on Wednesday so want to be prepared Appreciate any insight! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 2Sep 22, 2015 10:43 pm I had a section of fc rendered against ground level brick work that was also rendered. You couldn't tell the difference, but there was a slight gap where they butted up. Unavoidable, so i would suggest steel work above the garage door so there won't be gaps between the brick pillars. The section behind the garage will be fine and would be hard to do in brick unless the back of the garage is also bricked. Re: FC all over facade? 3Sep 23, 2015 4:46 am SteveMc I had a section of fc rendered against ground level brick work that was also rendered. You couldn't tell the difference, but there was a slight gap where they butted up. Unavoidable, so i would suggest steel work above the garage door so there won't be gaps between the brick pillars. The section behind the garage will be fine and would be hard to do in brick unless the back of the garage is also bricked. Thanks Steve. The consultant mentioned that even if the FC isn't rendered once it's painted it will look the same as the rendered parts down the bottom. Is this true? We didn't give it too much thought at the time but now thinking of rendering the whole house in case what we were told was wrong M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 FC all over facade? 4Sep 23, 2015 5:06 pm With the joint sealer they use between the FC sheets you can get a very neat finish after painting, but the finish is too flat in my opinion to look like a faux render even when using a texture based paint. You could consider using the same cladding profile to blend the left and right upper storey exterior as an alternative. The cost would be more, but I think the style would be better and more consistent. Finish the Garage as full brick facade, render or moroka finished to complete the ground level style. Not sure if moroka is cheaper than render, but if moroka is cheaper that might minimise your facade costs. I must say i'm surprised that the Sarina facade @ 26K only gives you FC over the garage and first floor. Does it also include the Front Pivot door? Your costs will increase about 1K for cladding in lieu of FC on the 'right' first floor facade and probably 1.5K for steel and brickwork over the garage in lieu of FC. If i had to pick one, personally i'd go for the brickwork over the garage. BTW, I ahve to agree with you, I really like this facade design esp compared with the alternatives!. Very modern. Re: FC all over facade? 5Sep 24, 2015 5:57 am Thanks SteveMc. Good tips! I also can't see the $26,000 of value for FC. The door was an upgrade due to size and I suspect I am selecting a style that is another upgrade lol. I don't understand why they have rendered one section and FC to the other. Maybe the render is too heavy for the section above the garage? Hmm. I am annoyed though because we changed to the Sarina after the first tender but the way they did the tender was to price into base house price the rendering costs for the original facade and then credit in the tender. So now we want to know costs to render the Sarina and they are having issues because our base house price will have to change because presumably render to the house with the Sarina won't be as much as the original quote. Well it had better bloody not be! After this selection process (particularly after being told they won't put lights on my roof in voided areas!) I reckon of I had have done selections before contract signing I would have walked away. Our sales consultant is great. She's trying her best to get stuff over the line but wow it's trying. M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 6Sep 24, 2015 6:28 am 26k upgrade for a facade with cement sheet? What a rip. Can I ask if the standard facade is brick all the way up? If so you're getting stooged Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: FC all over facade? 7Sep 24, 2015 6:56 am Yep the standard facade is brick all over. This one as well is weird looking at the side elevations... Bits of FC then brick. Thinking of pulling the pin on it. M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 8Sep 24, 2015 11:37 am MrsJM Yep the standard facade is brick all over. This one as well is weird looking at the side elevations... Bits of FC then brick. Thinking of pulling the pin on it. For 26K id be expecting render over brick, not FC. The builder is saving a fortune by using FC both in materials and labour. Im usually a "take the standard facade, and spend the money elsewhere" kind of guy though. Theres something that doesn't sit right with me about being able to put your foot through a wall from both sides and paying a premium for the privilege. Ive seen plenty of facades where you get brick as standard, but some of the designer facades replace a solid material with cheap material and which you get charged out the wazoo for. Granted some of them look amazing, but the cost of delivering the result has been stripped out so much that the margin being made on the "upgrade" is insane. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: FC all over facade? 9Sep 24, 2015 5:04 pm Hi MrsJM, From looking at your elevation, there are substantial ares where FC sheet will be used (the area over the garage which has not been highlighted). The drawing states "FC sheet suitable for render" which is does not specify render or paint. I'm not sure if you have signed off on the plans and you are clear on what is standard in their specification but I would imagine that this will be a painted area (purely to save on cost) . In comparison to render, the consultant advising you that once painted will look like render is totally wrong. The textured render finish can never be matched with simply painting. Further, ensure that where the FC sheet meets brickwork or similar surface, that control joints are added in. This will hide any differential movement between the two surfaces and minimize unsightly hairline cracks. We would always recommend rendering on brick where possible especially over the garage opening. regards, CR Partners Re: FC all over facade? 10Sep 24, 2015 5:07 pm CR Partners Hi MrsJM, From looking at your elevation, there are substantial ares where FC sheet will be used (the area over the garage which has not been highlighted). The drawing states "FC sheet suitable for render" which is does not specify render or paint. I'm not sure if you have signed off on the plans and you are clear on what is standard in their specification but I would imagine that this will be a painted area (purely to save on cost) . In comparison to render, the consultant advising you that once painted will look like render is totally wrong. The textured render finish can never be matched with simply painting. Further, ensure that where the FC sheet meets brickwork or similar surface, that control joints are added in. This will hide any differential movement between the two surfaces and minimize unsightly hairline cracks. We would always recommend rendering on brick where possible especially over the garage opening. regards, CR Partners Thank you so brick infill over garage then render this? I think they said the level over the garage would be expensive to brick because they needed light weight materials but that seems bizarre as the standard facade is all brick! Yeah think ill be revisiting this facade option as I'm not paying $26k for that then another $20k to render the house! M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 11Sep 24, 2015 6:02 pm Hi MrsJM, I agree... you need to get all this sorted prior. If you need any assistance, drop us a line. regards, Re: FC all over facade? 12Sep 24, 2015 8:31 pm your all wrong. haha sorry not a troll post just bring a bit of humor. when they say painted, they mean acrylic texture coated, the only system they will use. Acrylic texture coating does look very similar to render. For what its worth, It will look a lot neater than a rendered brick. Top storeys get light from absolutely every angle, and there is nothing worse than a wavy and uneven render when light is directly reflected off of it. The cladding option allows for a 100% flat perfect acrylic rendered finish. And no, there will be no joins. Each join will be covered with a patching compound, then a screed coat undercoat smeared over the whole lot, followed by the final sand finish top coat, and if your REALLY LUCKY, a final coat of elastomeric membrane to make it last forever. No builders do that last membrane step tho. The whole system is actually more expensive than a cement render because of the cost of the acrylic coatings which go over the FC sheeting. Superior in appearance to any cementitious render. Re: FC all over facade? 13Sep 24, 2015 8:39 pm rebuilder86 your all wrong. haha sorry not a troll post just bring a bit of humor. when they say painted, they mean acrylic texture coated, the only system they will use. Acrylic texture coating does look very similar to render. For what its worth, It will look a lot neater than a rendered brick. Top storeys get light from absolutely every angle, and there is nothing worse than a wavy and uneven render when light is directly reflected off of it. The cladding option allows for a 100% flat perfect acrylic rendered finish. And no, there will be no joins. Each join will be covered with a patching compound, then a screed coat undercoat smeared over the whole lot, followed by the final sand finish top coat, and if your REALLY LUCKY, a final coat of elastomeric membrane to make it last forever. No builders do that last membrane step tho. The whole system is actually more expensive than a cement render because of the cost of the acrylic coatings which go over the FC sheeting. Superior in appearance to any cementitious render. You're all a wealth of knowledge! Thanks for all that info rebuilder86! I hope you're right! Would this be stated in the tender if they were going to do this acrylic coating? Here is the facade in the tender... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 14Sep 25, 2015 1:29 pm yep, thats what they're doing. where applicable means, a 5 cm window sill horizontal surface can not have a decent trowel/float so that bit is not applicable and will just be painted. No issue. Not a wealth of knowledge, just worked in supply of texture coatings for along time. Make sure you pick a color which is UV stable, and doesnt contain too much tint, as tehy will most likely be tinting the texture coat which if tinted to darker colours, leaves nothing to protect the tint from UV degradation. Colours with ochre, black, red oxide, and maybe a slight bit of magenta only! Once you have picked a colour, let me know and ill tell you if it is one of these UV stable colours. I know more than your builder and plasterer/painter combined. Re: FC all over facade? 15Sep 25, 2015 4:33 pm rebuilder86 yep, thats what they're doing. where applicable means, a 5 cm window sill horizontal surface can not have a decent trowel/float so that bit is not applicable and will just be painted. No issue. Not a wealth of knowledge, just worked in supply of texture coatings for along time. Make sure you pick a color which is UV stable, and doesnt contain too much tint, as tehy will most likely be tinting the texture coat which if tinted to darker colours, leaves nothing to protect the tint from UV degradation. Colours with ochre, black, red oxide, and maybe a slight bit of magenta only! Once you have picked a colour, let me know and ill tell you if it is one of these UV stable colours. I know more than your builder and plasterer/painter combined. You're amazing!! I can't thank you enough! I want a predominantly grey/light facade... Do I just pick a colour from dulux range or do these products have their own colour range? Thank you times a million. I've had such a bad day at work and worrying about this house stuff on top of that...So nice to be a part of this forum where people are so willing to help others M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 16Sep 25, 2015 5:58 pm if you pick a colour from this catalogue you will be fine. Stick to colours with a W or D next to them (white base of deep base) http://www.dulux.com.au/pdf/colourBooklets/exterior.pdf If you want Ultra deep, extra bright or other bases, in my professional experienced opinion you will requite a topcoat. Your builder and most painters will say you can have as deep as the 'Ultra Deep Base' colours. This is true, but i wouldn't recommend it without a membrane topcoat for a long life non fading colour. From my experience with architects and builders, the most common greys in these lighter bases are Bath stone, White Duck, Timeles Grey (although this has a lot of tint for a white base) Linseed, Oyster Linen (although going out of fasion for some reason) Pale tendril, Grand Piano, (more of a browny pink grey) Dieskau (one in 4 orders is for his colour) Buff it, Buff it half, Malay Grey, Stepney (not as popular as others but has pretty much no hue so good industrial colour) and of course, dulux colorbond matches, Surfmist (practically white with a slight dirty green tinge) Shale Grey, Silkwort (see colour wall in store) Grey Pail, (see colour wall in store) Milton Moon (see colour wall in store) Solver greys that we do a lot of: Wallaby, Pewter, Elephant, smoke pearl, Beaver (one order per day at least) Wattyl Colours not as common, Alabaster Stoneleigh Re: FC all over facade? 17Sep 30, 2015 6:04 am rebuilder86 if you pick a colour from this catalogue you will be fine. Stick to colours with a W or D next to them (white base of deep base) http://www.dulux.com.au/pdf/colourBooklets/exterior.pdf If you want Ultra deep, extra bright or other bases, in my professional experienced opinion you will requite a topcoat. Your builder and most painters will say you can have as deep as the 'Ultra Deep Base' colours. This is true, but i wouldn't recommend it without a membrane topcoat for a long life non fading colour. From my experience with architects and builders, the most common greys in these lighter bases are Bath stone, White Duck, Timeles Grey (although this has a lot of tint for a white base) Linseed, Oyster Linen (although going out of fasion for some reason) Pale tendril, Grand Piano, (more of a browny pink grey) Dieskau (one in 4 orders is for his colour) Buff it, Buff it half, Malay Grey, Stepney (not as popular as others but has pretty much no hue so good industrial colour) and of course, dulux colorbond matches, Surfmist (practically white with a slight dirty green tinge) Shale Grey, Silkwort (see colour wall in store) Grey Pail, (see colour wall in store) Milton Moon (see colour wall in store) Solver greys that we do a lot of: Wallaby, Pewter, Elephant, smoke pearl, Beaver (one order per day at least) Wattyl Colours not as common, Alabaster Stoneleigh I don't know how I missed this the other day! This is brilliant. Thank you so much! We have been to Bunnings to get a bunch of sample pots (although I am always suspicious their paint never quite matches the swatch) and I have come up with the following combos.... I am sure i read Bassalt is done in a regular paint too... but either way I suspect you will say it is too dark for render... Bassalt Stepney Dieskau or Bassalt Tranquil Retreat Endless Dusk Still unsure of what colour to put where but I think I like the combinations! I really like Bassalt, Silkwort and Dieskau together but I am trying to keep in mmind that they will all look lighter on the facade and I don't want what looks to be a white house. The front facade will never get direct sun though and I notice some of these greys look purple inside my house (even limed white throws a voilet tinge!). At my last house I had a retaining wall in a colour called Mushroom (Taubmans I think) and it looks magnificent with the sun on it, but as soon as it was shaded... hello purple. Don't know if this is thanks to the light, Bunnings paint (which I have been told by people is never a colour match?) or whether my eyeballs are tinged purple! M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 18Sep 30, 2015 3:11 pm well the lighter colours will actually appear a bit darker as they will be textured, which created little shadows in the grain. This purple issue is so common. I think Stepney, bassalt and dieskau should be fine Re: FC all over facade? 19Oct 12, 2015 4:32 pm So the quote just came back- $17,600 to render the house. On top of the $26k facade. However on close inspection there is still big areas of FC sheeting. Ignore the highlight. That was the dopes showing me they have provided brick infills in place of FC sheeting including in areas they are gonna render anyway. They started demolishing the house yesterday. I feel like we are now in this big mess I can't get out of. I want to walk away. I want to pull out of this contract but now we will have to go and rent as I'm not staying at my in laws while we go through this process again. Gutted doesn't even cover how I feel. More variations came back wrong again. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: FC all over facade? 20Oct 12, 2015 5:42 pm Drop the facade and drop the render. Ask for standard bricks suitable for render and flush mortar. Then get it rendered after hand over for prob half the quoted cost. This is based on standard facade looking good when rendered. Dear Members I have to decide the Facade column size. 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