Browse Forums General Discussion 1 May 04, 2015 11:56 pm Hi all,
In a bit of dillemma here with a house plan on a 15x30 block. If I delete a scullery, I will have about 2.97m length of backyard, but if I don't then I only have 1.7m length of backyard. By deleting a scullery, I will only have a pantry of a metre wide with 4 shelves that's all. But then again, I always wanted to put natural lawn at the backyard for my kid to play on. Just feels so dull & lifeless without natural green at the back. Already opted for artificial lawn in the front, so need something natural somewhere. Can I actually do anything nice with 2.97m length of backyard? Which would give my house more value if I were to sell them in the future? Love to hear your opinions & advice. Thanks! P/S Below are the link to the two different plans https://app.box.com/s/ykawyjymk46eeuq6oafz2bc7wl61x5ha (small backyard) https://app.box.com/s/o0ebw8m0ubokw8a96faqcjflxsq6g02f (larger backyard) Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 2May 05, 2015 8:08 am Only you can really decide what is best for you and your family but I think the difference between having a really small backyard and a very small backyard is neither here nor there. I'd opt for the scullery personally as it would add more value to the house. Kids will find somewhere to play outside even if that means the front yard. Stewie Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 3May 05, 2015 10:44 am Can you make your house narrower to get some More room on the side? If it was me I'd flag the scullery and have more space outside. I'm not one for making houses bigger and bigger and building urban concrete jungles with no real outdoor amenity. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 4May 05, 2015 11:15 am Things don't quite add up. Assuming the house is 12m wide, an extra 1.3m of length means it's taking up an extra area of 15m2. That's a big kitchen. Our pantry at only 3.6m x 1.3m (4.7m2) gives 8 metres of shelf length. Also, with that sized block, the house is quite large, so I think there would likely be other areas that should give up a bit to make some area for a back yard. Really, for a house that size, you'd want an open area at least 4m x 8m. I'd also aim for a walk-in pantry of moderate size if you don't have room for the full scullery. It sounds like each area of the house needs a bit of analysis to see if there is any space that can give up some area. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 5May 05, 2015 12:18 pm Yes, onejohn the house is currently 280m2 even without the scullery. Guess we being greedy, trying to get 4 beds, study, activity, theatre all inside. The thing I'm trying to justify is can I actually make use of the 3x10m space at the back if I sacrifice the scullery to reduce length of the house? Is it enough for a shed? planter next to fence etc? Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 6May 05, 2015 8:58 pm I'm all for backyard. That was one thing on my agenda when building my house. I have 294m2 land and the house will be 150m2 approx, with 5.9mx10.5 of backyard, possibly an extra 1m as just found out I can build the house closer at the front. My kitchen is pretty small, but I don't mind. How much time do you really want to spend in a kitchen right? Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 7May 06, 2015 12:30 am Once you add a shed and clothes line (and you need space around these to be able to access/use them) then add a planter box/garden bed you really won't have much space left. Have you considered going s double storey? [sneakersss] Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 8May 06, 2015 12:53 am sneakersss Once you add a shed and clothes line (and you need space around these to be able to access/use them) then add a planter box/garden bed you really won't have much space left. Have you considered going s double storey? Like to build double storey, but definitely out of budget...even If we can build one, it won't be anything with nice spec. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 9May 06, 2015 2:04 am I think you will have space constraints from a coverage perspective as design rules usually only allow upto a certain level of coverage. You could put a fence around the front and capture the front space to utilise it more then have the small back yard for clothes line and shed as suggested. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 10May 06, 2015 12:45 pm Hi AussieMark, we have open Alfresco of 20m2, so that didn't count toward site coverage, hence the bigger size house. I just wanna put artificial lawn in the front, can't be bothered anymore like the last two houses to water & care for the lawn all the time. Just need something to brighten up my front elevation, but not somewhere I would have my kid to play on. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 11May 06, 2015 2:58 pm Quote: How much time do you really want to spend in a kitchen right? Maybe aloenyx, but in these days of open plan which is usually a combo of the kitchen, dining and living room, it is the main focus of the house. And for those like me who either love cooking or entertain a lot then the first thing that a prospective buyer would look at would be the kitchen and how well appointed it is or how well it was designed. Stewie Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 12May 06, 2015 3:16 pm skydroid, could post up a plan with and without the scullery? People might then be able to give you some feedback on whether your plan benefits from having a scullery or not. [sneakersss] Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 14May 06, 2015 3:58 pm You could just make it large on the screen, and then do a screen capture with print screen, then paste it into a paint program and crop it back to the right area. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 16May 06, 2015 8:47 pm Okay, now I understand your dilemma. I personally would not be happy with the lack of storage in the kitchen without the scullery. But I also would not be happy with the small backyard if there was a scullery. Sorry...I know that doesn't help at all. [sneakersss] Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 17May 06, 2015 8:53 pm How about keeping the smaller alfresco and smaller games and stepping the back wall and roof? That way you get the 3m yard behind alfresco and bed 4, but bed 3 still extends back to make room for the scullery. Basically take your small backyard plan, and slide Bed 4 down by 1.3m. I'd actually go a bit further, and shrink the games to 3.6m, and shrink alfresco/dining a bit more, and you'd get the yard up to around 3.5m, which is starting to get worthwhile. For a sense of a useable yard, it doesn't need to be long. Half the width of the block is ok, but you want to get as much in the other direction as possible. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 18May 06, 2015 9:02 pm oneJohn How about keeping the smaller alfresco and smaller games and stepping the back wall and roof? That way you get the 3m yard behind alfresco and bed 4, but bed 3 still extends back to make room for the scullery. Basically take your small backyard plan, and slide Bed 4 down by 1.3m. I'd actually go a bit further, and shrink the games to 3.6m, and shrink alfresco/dining a bit more, and you'd get the yard up to around 3.5m, which is starting to get worthwhile. For a sense of a useable yard, it doesn't need to be long. Half the width of the block is ok, but you want to get as much in the other direction as possible. Good suggestion onejohn, could work hey..thanks! But then we had a big alfresco from previous house, so not sure missus willing to sacrifice that, as we do most of our entertaining stuff on the alfresco. P/S that would also mean I will have to put shed near alfresco eh...probably not ideal too .. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 19May 06, 2015 9:55 pm I don't think you'll be getting a full shed in there. Maybe one that's 800mm deep up in the 1.7m deep yard, will give around 900mm to get past it, still leaving the more valuable yard open. If the 6.1m long alfresco is also important, then it's not just the scullery you're giving the backyard up for, you're getting the scullery as well as the bigger alfresco. Bear in mind you can also extend the alfresco paving up to the fenceline on the other side, which will make it feel bigger, even if it's not all roofed. Re: Scullery or having bigger backyard? Which one worth more 20May 07, 2015 1:49 am For such a big house with so many rooms the kitchen is too small for me. I think you need to look at some other plans and really think about what rooms you need/will use them for and what furniture will go in them. Do you really need 4 bedrooms plus study, theatre and games in addition to the dining and living? Is there something you could cut to get more space? Do you really need a shed in the backyard? Can you expand the garage slightly to give you a wall of storage instead? If it were me I'd get rid of the study or games...but depends on whether you have lots of kids and whether you need an office for work. I wouldn't do the semi ensuite either after living with one. Can create some awkward moments lol Might not be an option but I would definitely look at other plans and have solar orientation in mind as neither of these plans tick all your boxes. 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