We have three broken down pipes. They are metal but not colorbond.
What should I expect to get them replaced with new colorbond ones? Material and labour.
Are they hard DIY or easy to do thingy?
Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Oct 26, 2014 1:20 pm We have three broken down pipes. They are metal but not colorbond. What should I expect to get them replaced with new colorbond ones? Material and labour. Are they hard DIY or easy to do thingy? Re: Cost to replace down pipes 2Oct 26, 2014 1:34 pm Not enough information to give a price but that is very difficult online anyway. What do you mean by "broken". Round or rectangular? Size? Single story or double? In Victoria, downpipes can only be legally fitted by a plumber but some other States and territories are more liberal. Don't let that stop you though! They are easy if you know what you are doing, there are plenty of instructions online. PVC are easier than metal ones as the fittings are glued. Seeing as you have doubts and as they are metal, maybe you should get a plumber. What area are you in? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 3Oct 26, 2014 2:14 pm We are in Victoria. These are metal rectangle on a single story. They are broken due to my ******* way to install rain water diverters. This was few years back when we had serious draught days. I'll post photos shortly. We lived in this house for over 8 years and now going to make it investment in next 4-5 months. Just want to make sure before we vacate all such things should be sorted properly. not trying to cut corners, if a plumber is required then a plumber should do this. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 4Oct 26, 2014 2:44 pm Sounds like 100 x 50 mm rectangular. The metal ones are tapered to allow one section to fit into another. You could simply buy some cut sections like the current pipe and slide them together but make sure that the gutter clips are external, not internal. That will allow the gutter to be pushed up. You will also need to drill out the old pop rivets at the pop and fit new pop rivets when you finish. A quick paint and the downpipes should look as good as new. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 5Oct 26, 2014 5:24 pm Thanks heaps SaveH2O for explaining this. Here are photos: Down pipe 1: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Down pipe 2: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ bottom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Down pipe 3: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ closeup Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Cost to replace down pipes 8Oct 26, 2014 11:36 pm mirz in Melbourne, not far from airport. Can't help with anyone in that area sorry, l'm East of Melbourne. Yep, 100 x 50 mm rectangular. It is very straight forward. If you buy some lengths and pre paint, it won't be hard to do. Try the easiest (photo 2-3) and see how you go. That will give you confidence. If you get a plumber, you should get quotes for the basic cut and match plus a quote for the colorbond pipes. If there is a business that only does guttering etc, it is most ofter better using them than calling a plumber unless you know one. Any business dealing with roofing should be able to recommend someone. The last two photos show a broken 100 x 50 x 90 mm downpipe adapter solvent welded to the stormwater pipe. These cost about $2.30 in the Bunnings plumbing dept. You will have to remove and replace the pipe. It will be much easier to cut the downpipe if you remove it from the pop and lay it down. I have a video that shows a plumber removing and cutting a downpipe with a product I have, I will send you the link. It is a short excerpt from a longer video, it might be of some assistance. You should know someone with a pop riveter. You wouldn't have got much value out of the first photo's downpipe diverter. It's the Nylex horror, it's yield was dismal through the single 12 mm outlet plus a lot of water flowed directly down the drain anyway. It looked good in the nice box though! Whoever designed it had no idea. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 9Oct 27, 2014 3:46 pm So true, that Nylex diverter seems like designed by some primary school student. Can't believe how many people paid for that piece of crap. Cost to replace down pipes 10Nov 10, 2014 8:03 pm I have done research on this project and now thinking to give it a crack. Bunnings is selling metal downpipes for about $21, and clamps are about $1 each. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Our downpipes are 100x50 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Top bit looks a slide over type Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Bottom looks like slide in Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Only tricky part is this one which is closer to the top Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This one I'm not sure can be reused or need to buy a new one? I have a Rivert tool in shade but that will need some serious exploration.thats gonna give wifey opportunity to push me to clean shed as I always told her one day I'll do this but she is keep hassling me every year for past five years. These women won't understand us, lol. What kind of nail do I need to connect clamps to brick wall? Also what do I need to cut downpipe? Last time I used a hacksaw and with my diy skill set it wasn't turned up that good (as you can see in first post). Re: Cost to replace down pipes 11Nov 16, 2014 9:13 am I missed seeing this reply. Apologies. You use masonry nails if you are going into mortar. It is easier if you use a smaller masonry drill bit to make a hole first. I wouldn't use the current downpipe clips plus you will probably use a claw hammer to remove them anyway as per the video link I sent you. One photo shows that the top of the downpipe isn't pop riveted. While it is usual to pop rivet the pipe to the pop, many people don't so as to allow for house/pipe settling. When you fit two metal downpipes into each other, you can pop rivet the join. I would use the elbow shown in the photo. I would also scrub everything up and repaint then fit rather than painting afterwards. Cutting metal rectangular downpipes can be a pain. If you have a good hack saw, using a bit of lubricating oil on the cut makes it easier. Off set compound snips are easier to work with than regular snips. The metal is galvanised and the zinc provides a galvanic coating but this can be compromised if you use an angle grinder disc because of the generated heat. Use a metal cutting disc if you must. I notice in the 5th photo that shows the bottom adapter and some other photos that there are what appear to be half closed over weep holes. Are you aware of this? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 12Nov 16, 2014 6:20 pm Thanks SaveH2O for your such informative detailed response. Yeah, not sure what to do with those half covered weep holes. We bought this house as is and at that time had no idea about all these things. What would you suggest? Just regular enamel paint would be suffice or is there any special paint for this job? I'm planning to buy everything for this and do if over Christmas break when I'll have sixteen days on my disposal Re: Cost to replace down pipes 13Nov 16, 2014 6:52 pm You will need a paint like SolaGard outdoor paint. It is much easier and a lot better to paint them first. They will probably need a touchup once you adjust the tapers after fitting. The weep hole heights can be a real problem because your damp proof course is below them but I couldn't see any brickwork efflorescence which is a good sign as the path doesn't look new. Brickwork isn't my field apart from some basic knowledge on the function of the DPC and weep holes. One of the forum experts should read this post and hopefully come in and add their usual valued opinion. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 14Nov 16, 2014 7:59 pm That's fantastic, picked up a Sola Guard 1L can other day from bunnings for $15. It was sitting in bargain bench. Someone returned or changed mind Original price was $39. Luckily it was in our colour so snapped it straightaway. Thank you so much for your help. got another excuse to visit bunnings and pickup stuff for this small DIY. saw rivets guns for $20 there, will pickup one with small bag just to keep them handy. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 15Nov 16, 2014 9:08 pm mirz That's fantastic, picked up a Sola Guard 1L can other day from bunnings for $15. It was sitting in bargain bench. Someone returned or changed mind Talking about paint bargains at bunnings, I got three 15 litre tubs of Taubmans Easy Coat Prep for $50 per tub. Solagard paint has always worked well for me on the eaves, gutters, and downpipes at my old house. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Cost to replace down pipes 16Nov 16, 2014 9:15 pm That's a total ripper mate, lol. Can't control myself from looking into those bargain benches Re: Cost to replace down pipes 17Nov 17, 2014 7:28 am As SaveH2O has mentioned about your weepholes, the path should be below them not half over them. They are there to let water from your brick cavity escape. What would concern me more is possible long term moisture affecting your timber frame ( if it is a brick veneer house ) and that it may create an ingress point for termites. This is what it should look like... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Just substitute the earth at the side for a concrete path. You should still have 75mm minimum clearance though so you can see if termites are trying to invade your house. ( where it says brick veneer wall on the lower right hand side should obviously say concrete slab ) Stewie Re: Cost to replace down pipes 18Nov 18, 2014 3:01 am Thanks Stewie, house is brick vaneer. This is concerning as concreting is higher than it is supposed to be. What are our options here, how this can be fixed? Removal of all existing concrete and excavation and reconcreting? Re: Cost to replace down pipes 19Nov 20, 2014 7:21 am I went around the house to check weep holes situation. They are fine on all three sides. It looks like concreter when poured didn't care on this side. It is like this for either from day one (14 year) bummer or don't know when concreting was done. Re: Cost to replace down pipes 20Nov 20, 2014 10:23 am The concrete looks to have been there for quite a while. Aesthetically, concrete that is too high usually also looks wrong. In the photo above, it looks too high under the window (and it is) but an experienced eye will be drawn to the grass (indicating dirt and moisture) and the covered DPC. A lot of houses with non compliant concrete levels and inappropriate soil levels never have a termite attack but the potential is always there. Some areas are high termite risk and your area's risk rating should be available. Replacing the concrete involves more than just ripping the concrete up and removing some dirt to expose the DPC after fresh concrete is laid. In the photo, you will also notice that the bottom 100 x 50 x 90 mm downpipe adapter is fitted to a 90 mm uPVC storm water standing pipe that is also higher than the DPC. This raises the chicken or the egg question. It should never be assumed that the sub surface storm water pipes are buried at a correct level. I am not suggesting that your storm water pipes are not buried at the correct level but you need to be aware that you could remove the concrete and find that you are unable to remove the correct soil level if the pipes are too high. It is however easy to check this via the standing pipe but most often this is not done but it is something that you would need to do before you did any rectification work. Apart from the expense and disruption plus the risk factor when evaluating whether to leave it or not, another consideration is the possible impact on the property's future resale factor. Many buyers are unaware of potential issues about covered DPC and other matters but people are becoming more educated and are using pre purchase inspections more and more. My own philosophy is that if you are up for an expense or disruption at some time in the future anyway, then it may as well be done early at a time more convenient so that a greater benefit is realised. 3in1 Supadiverta. 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