Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Aug 08, 2014 1:27 am Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I am just trying to think outside the box here - since I have decided to do the wall rendering/plastering myself (to save roughly $8000 dollars) the only problem that I am not sure of is the exterior second floor (upstair) wall. Since scaffolding requires a license (although Queensland Government says under 4 meter height you do not need one - http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace/re ... ginqld.pdf), and seems more complicated and requires more skills to get a scaffolding going, I thought maybe hiring a Scissor Lift might be a cheaper and easier solution. So my question is, has anyone try this before? Is it feasible? "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 2Aug 08, 2014 8:32 am I'd maybe look at trestles and planks before that, 3 x16' trestles with safety rails, 4 x 5m planks, 2 plank clamps and away you go. Would give you a lot more flexibuility and make the job easier as you can cover a larger area from one spot because you don't have a rail in front of you to negotiate that the scissor lift has. Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 3Aug 10, 2014 4:27 pm mgilla I'd maybe look at trestles and planks before that, 3 x16' trestles with safety rails, 4 x 5m planks, 2 plank clamps and away you go. Would give you a lot more flexibuility and make the job easier as you can cover a larger area from one spot because you don't have a rail in front of you to negotiate that the scissor lift has. Good call on that! it looks like a far cheaper option! EDIT: Upon a bit of googling, it seems Trestles & Planks cost just as much when you hire it compare to Scissor Lift! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Trestles & Planks - 24 hour hire = $99 http://www.betterrentals.com.au/hire/tr ... nd-planks/ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Scissor Lift - 24 hour hire = $105 http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/adver ... 8RT/35050/ Another thing, the Trestles & Plank doesn't go up to 4-5 meters in height - as I am going to be using it to do rendering on exterior wall - from the photos I seen it looks like they only go up to 2 meters at most, that means the top of the exterior wall just under the eave I will not be able to reach it. "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 4Aug 10, 2014 6:45 pm look at what it will cost you for trestles and planks for 2 weeks? if you are new to rendering that is what you'll need them for. you can get 16' trestles that allow you to have planks at 2m and planks at 4m so you can do a section of wall about 5m long from the damp coarse line to eave without moving. the other thing to consider is the scissor lift will need to be delivered and picked up using a tilt tray compared to the other coming on the top of a ute. huge price difference there. Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 5Aug 10, 2014 10:52 pm Do you need a ticket to operate the scissor lift? Also the ground conditions are very important for the stability of the the machine at height. Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 6Aug 11, 2014 3:19 am mgilla look at what it will cost you for trestles and planks for 2 weeks? if you are new to rendering that is what you'll need them for. you can get 16' trestles that allow you to have planks at 2m and planks at 4m so you can do a section of wall about 5m long from the damp coarse line to eave without moving. the other thing to consider is the scissor lift will need to be delivered and picked up using a tilt tray compared to the other coming on the top of a ute. huge price difference there. I think I only have a relatively small area to render for upper floor - just 3 walls (2 walls for master bedroom and one wall for upper floor entertainment area). I am *HOPING* I can finish the upper floor rendering in 1-2 days. The rest down stair exterior walls I can render at my leisure as I don't need to rent out whatever is needed to do the work. I certainly hope it would take 2 weeks to do upper floor (again, just 3 walls - about 3m x 2.6m for each wall). What I am concerned about is the HEIGHT of the Trestle - since I need to render right to the top upper exterior floor. If the tallest Trestle can only go up to 2 meters, I don't think I can touch the very top of the wall. "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 7Aug 11, 2014 3:20 am Perth_Euro Do you need a ticket to operate the scissor lift? Also the ground conditions are very important for the stability of the the machine at height. Sorry, what do you mean "ticket"? Do you mean a license? I thought scissor lift does not require a license to operate. "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 8Aug 11, 2014 5:18 am House Couple of questions Q1 - the access path and terrain, good bad or Q2 - soil or ground , wet and boggy , firm , grassy. I have worked in many scissor lifts and they are excellent on concrete and hard floors, But on grass, dirt or sandy wet soils they are easily bogged and prone to sinking. cause of they weight of the batteries and hyd pump in the chassis, so if ya sink one side 100mm then at full extension say 4 metres this is a big tilt or lean, very scary first time round too. Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 9Aug 11, 2014 6:18 am Dr House What I am concerned about is the HEIGHT of the Trestle - since I need to render right to the top upper exterior floor. If the tallest Trestle can only go up to 2 meters, I don't think I can touch the very top of the wall. The tallest trestle goes up 5m / 16foot Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 10Aug 11, 2014 7:28 pm Hi Dr House Yes it is feasible tho I am not sure on the economics For one project 3 storey precast we couldnt get scaffolding or sissor lifts in to work from bottom -> up On this project I designed and fabricated a removable suspended access platform and we worked from Top -> Down We try to get as much use from scaffolding, that way you can spread/share the costs over many trades ie Bricklayers->Framers->Roofers->Plasterers-> etc, but unfortunately that is not always possible. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 11Aug 12, 2014 12:11 am wobbly1 House Couple of questions Q1 - the access path and terrain, good bad or Q2 - soil or ground , wet and boggy , firm , grassy. I have worked in many scissor lifts and they are excellent on concrete and hard floors, But on grass, dirt or sandy wet soils they are easily bogged and prone to sinking. cause of they weight of the batteries and hyd pump in the chassis, so if ya sink one side 100mm then at full extension say 4 metres this is a big tilt or lean, very scary first time round too. That's definitely food for thoughts. Right now, the house is still under construction and it is definitely rough terrain although kind of firm soil (it was compacted) - so after some consideration, I think it is best to wait until the concrete walk path around the house is done so I have a stable working platform before I can consider the options of either Scissor Lift or Trestle & Plank. I definitely don't want o break my neck doing the rendering! "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 12Aug 12, 2014 12:16 am mgilla Dr House What I am concerned about is the HEIGHT of the Trestle - since I need to render right to the top upper exterior floor. If the tallest Trestle can only go up to 2 meters, I don't think I can touch the very top of the wall. The tallest trestle goes up 5m / 16foot Ah okay, thanks Mgilla! Also, you wouldn't happen to know the "day rate" for hiring one of these 5m tall Trestle? "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 13Aug 12, 2014 12:25 am StructuralBIMGuy Hi Dr House Yes it is feasible tho I am not sure on the economics For one project 3 storey precast we couldnt get scaffolding or sissor lifts in to work from bottom -> up On this project I designed and fabricated a removable suspended access platform and we worked from Top -> Down We try to get as much use from scaffolding, that way you can spread/share the costs over many trades ie Bricklayers->Framers->Roofers->Plasterers-> etc, but unfortunately that is not always possible. Sadly, I don't have an engineering workshop to fabricate or even custom design an access platform like you do.. The Scissor Lift is just a desperate idea I had after I happened upon one near a restaurant under renovation where the workers were using it to remove the signage. I have a very limited budget and I have no idea how to work with scaffolding - and talking to some builders and getting quotes from renderers apparently majority of the cost for rendering stems from the scaffoldings which cost thousands of dollars and the reason why I was looking for cheap alternative solutions. I am *HOPING* the Scissor Lift is a "push button" solution... but the cost of $105~150 a day is still kind of expensive to me. I am estimating the cost of materials and hire will probably set me back around $1000 dollars roughly (including 3 coats of paint), which is about 6 times cheaper than the cheapest quote I get (about $6000). "Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is almost always somebody screwed up." Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 14Aug 12, 2014 4:24 am Dr House wobbly1 House Couple of questions Q1 - the access path and terrain, good bad or Q2 - soil or ground , wet and boggy , firm , grassy. I have worked in many scissor lifts and they are excellent on concrete and hard floors, But on grass, dirt or sandy wet soils they are easily bogged and prone to sinking. cause of they weight of the batteries and hyd pump in the chassis, so if ya sink one side 100mm then at full extension say 4 metres this is a big tilt or lean, very scary first time round too. That's definitely food for thoughts. Right now, the house is still under construction and it is definitely rough terrain although kind of firm soil (it was compacted) - so after some consideration, I think it is best to wait until the concrete walk path around the house is done so I have a stable working platform before I can consider the options of either Scissor Lift or Trestle & Plank. I definitely don't want o break my neck doing the rendering! Sheets of marine ply or boards for wheel tracks will spread the load and level the ground somewhat, just make it more stable Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: Is it feasible to use Scissor Lift for exterior renderin 16Aug 12, 2014 10:55 am Dr House Sadly, I don't have an engineering workshop to fabricate or even custom design an access platform like you do.. OT.WHAT, No man cave? This is how to deal with Planning issues on the home front 1. Winecellar call it extra basement storage (Below ground) 2. Workshop call it Garage with storeroom (Ground Level) 3. Observatory call it attic storage (In The roof) Ther's always a way You may also want to check out Ladder Bracket working platforms AS6001 (Sec9) Working Platforms for housing construction-HTH Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Is it possible to render an old corrugated iron shed.I have heard that it can be done if it is covered with chicken wire first.Not sure of the ratio of the render mix and… 0 4889 Dear Members I have to decide the Facade column size. My custom builder standard is 350mm with rendering, but i asked for 470mm plus stone or tiles and yet to get… 0 7490 yep you need a joint, foam is easiest, will look fine once rendered with a joint. 2 5228 |