Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Jan 22, 2014 10:28 am Hi I'm trying to prepare for my electrical appt and although confident with the lights, powerpoints and switches etc I'm really struggling with data points- everything I've tried to read goes over my head really quickly. Basically we dont have NBN and I want to put the modem in the garage and have some points around the house where I can access the net (don't want to use wifi). The price list I've received makes no mention of data points only phone points (2 included then $100ea thereafter) or smart wiring (starting at approx $2k). Is someone able to clear up what I should be asking for and if it is the smart wiring, what should I be looking out for? I've tried to read about cat5, cat6 etc but can't make any sense of it. Sorry I'm a real novice at this - not even sure if I'm on the right track but fear that I'll either end up with something that doesn't do what I want or be sold something more than what I need. Any and all advice appreciated. Thanks Robbie http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Help with data points 2Jan 22, 2014 11:58 am You should probably clarify if phone points is the normal 2 pair cables or an allowance for any cable run. Smart wiring is just a general name to wire up your house with network points. Think of network points as power points. Electricity comes from the street and is fed into your circuit board box that is probably outside your house. That circuit board then disperses all that electricity to various power points, lights, stove, aircon, etc. Smart wiring is very similar in that your internet comes from the street and is fed into router/switch and then disperses this into data points around the house or to your WiFi router so people can connect wirelessly. Unlike the power box for electricity which the mouting location is regulated, the location of the router/switch/wifi router can be arbitrary - most place it in their garage/linen cupbard/WIR/etc. The Cat5/6 is a no brainer and you should always go for Cat6 and not worry about anything less. Just the same way you think about where you put your appliances and require a power point... the data point comparison is where you might need or put an "appliance" is only up to you. e.g My TV accepts a data connection(SmartTv).. i will need 1 data point close to its power point...Next to my TV i will have another data point because i want to plug in a Netflix/Hulu/FetchTV appliance as well as a power point for the set top box that would come with it. In short.. if you're building a single story house i would just do it after handover... in a double story then you need to plan ahead and figure out what appliances would need data points in the future. Building with Jandson Homes - Eclipse 18. http://adgnetworks.blogspot.com/ Re: Help with data points 3Jan 22, 2014 1:19 pm I put a data point next to the TV in the lounge and will potentially need a 4 port switch there to plug game consoles/set top boxes/media players etc if required (although most do wifi), one in the cupboard in the laundry (as well as a double power point) so I can put a wifi router at that end of the house, and it will probably also house my NAS drive. one in the master bedroom, so I can plug a laptop in if required (for example if my wifi router gets reset to factory settings during a firmware upgrade I can plug directly into it from there rather than going to the top of the cupboard/or into the garage) and one in another bedroom. Just tell your builder you want x number of Cat6 network points, all coming back to room y (possibly the garage, as that's where the NBN box is likely to eventually be if NBN ever happens in your area). If the price is rediculous, just don't worry and do it post build, unless of course you are building 2 storey. Re: Help with data points 4Jan 22, 2014 2:03 pm But the conduits still need to be laid pre-hand over right? Which means that during the build, one should've made up his mind on where the data points should be. Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm also seeking guidance. Thanks for this thread OP and to the people who replied so far. Re: Help with data points 5Jan 22, 2014 2:11 pm Don't think currently, think about the future, More and more things are able to connect to the network, easier to get cabled up at the start. You will want no less then 4 near your TV (TV, Console, Media box etc) Get somewhere your phones are to allow for future voip. People often say on here, if you think you need one, get two placed there. If you think you need 3, get 4) Also think about cameras, access points, will you need one out the back? Re: Help with data points 6Jan 22, 2014 2:14 pm Thanks for the replies certainly got a better idea now but keep the replies coming. I am building single storey but for convenience obvioulsy prefer if they can do it, I'll get the price and decide from there. Getting conduits in place would make the subsequent installation faster and cheaper - assuming I have them put in could it then be a DIY project or is there more to it than running the cables and installing a point? http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Help with data points 7Jan 22, 2014 9:23 pm Have you had a look in the "Home Theatre and Automation" section. viewforum.php?f=34 A lot of info regarding acronyms and some of the questions you have asked. Some guys have posted up their electrical and data plans. Stewie Re: Help with data points 8Jan 23, 2014 9:32 am Most of the time it seems cheaper to get it done by someone other than the builder, so I would be interested in what they want to charge you. I would also enquire about how they are going to present it, will they present all the cables back to a patch panel in a proper cabinet as looking through alot of theses threads, builders often install "Hills Home Hub" which I would stick well away from. Re: Help with data points 9Jan 23, 2014 9:37 am We have fibre optic to the house. We have one net point - as its wifi - and you don't need another set point. I'd have liked another Foxtel point - but instead just got a splitter and it now works in the room I missed. Mine also operates the remote. We put in one landline phone - as the links don't need a set point - ie they are virtually "wifi" - if you like. BUT - don't forget you may need a pp for the phone - to charge. TV to 4 rooms. Re: Help with data points 10Jan 23, 2014 9:58 am ST13 I would also enquire about how they are going to present it, will they present all the cables back to a patch panel in a proper cabinet as looking through alot of theses threads, builders often install "Hills Home Hub" which I would stick well away from. I was thinking of just providing my own modem so just a PP, phone point and ethernet port that links to the other rooms Saint Mike We have fibre optic to the house. We have one net point - as its wifi - and you don't need another set point. \ Good point but my wife's really not keen on wifi so just want to have the ports located in different areas - plus apparrently speeds are not as fast on wifi. The modem we have though does allow for wifi to be turned on or off so as a last resort or for the odd occassion we still have this option. http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Help with data points 11Jan 23, 2014 11:09 am Well - we have Telstra Velocity and its the fastest net I've seen. My wife was hesitant at first - with her Ipad - but now loves it ... Re: Help with data points 12Feb 06, 2014 4:51 pm Make sure you have a phone point in the garage where you have the modem for adsl. From there you run all your network cables out to your house. For me I have 6in the lounge tv,xbox, media player, amp ( think internet streaming for music ) and tbox. Also I have two either side of the bed one for phone and one for data. Kids room has two and behind the lounge I have six and the study has six. In your garage you will need a patch panel and a cheap switch ( google tplink 24port switch ) as the modem only has 4network ports. The patch panel is like a whole lot of skts on one board. I used cat5e, I get it for free but its cheaper than cat6 and no difference in speed. If you want to future proof use cat6a it is rated to 10gb speeds. To save money run the cables and just get skts on the ones you need and leave the others behind the wall for future use. It cost MUCH more to do after the house is built, it needs to be done before the gyprock goes up. I did all mine myself so I cant tell you how much you should expect to pay but a cabler out of the local paper is usually the best option just make sure that they are licensed. any questins ask away If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 13846 Scientists have used random matrix theory to demonstrate theoretically that the neutrino mass hierarchy can be explained mathematically. 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