Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 921Jan 18, 2019 1:57 pm Hi Liliana yes almost there I hope I have not on this forum since August last year only due that when we went to our certified conference at vcat belive or not told vcat they would agree to fix everything we said what everything they said yes I was a bit skeptical about this but the vcat member bought it and even our solicitor, told the builder so your telling us you are fixing everything with in the scope if works, the builders answer yes I thought to myself dam this was way to easy, came home at 4pm by 5.30pm we got confirmation from our lawyer saying it was good news and stated all the items that was going to get done. Following Wednesday we got email from the builders lawyer stating we did not agree to all of that we didn't say that we only said we put Agi pipe at rear I was discasted in what they said we went all quite for last few months. So by now I am so bloody angry with the system vcat including and that vcat protects builders. I've made it that I will take my fight straight up food chain to the builder direct. There is only one person on this forum that knows the dirt I have on the builder and I will make this public I will put it all over the media Australia wide. For now t that's all I am going to say because of the documents I have is really bad to all volume builders and will prove so much which my even turn how the law in the building industry which I belive is so corrupt. Exposing the builder is my next thing. So stay tuned il will posted on this forum when I will do it. Burbank will pay for it. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 922Jan 18, 2019 2:07 pm Hi Mauromario That's unbelievable. Did the VCAT hearing result in a written judgement or was this agreement reached at the mediation stage? Is there a record of proceedings at mediation? I'm surprised your solicitor would just take somebody at their word without getting a clearly worded agreement in writing on the spot. Don't put yourself in danger of being sued for defamation. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 923Jan 18, 2019 5:57 pm It happen at C C which is composative conferance which means all cameras a d audio is turned off how convenient. Iam so bloody angry about this I knew it was to easy I told our lawyer how can they just agree with out a fight, it was just another way to streatch us out financially. Dear Liliana if they don't play ball by the 29th of January I will put it out in the media tv stations everyone is going to know what real dogs Burbank really are. With the proof I have in my hands they will wish they never met me I think they have pushed me bit to far now I am do è been me. Nice guy because what I have in my hands will really hurt them and all big do,use builders. I was holding off for using this because I didn't want to hurt another builders, but I really don't care any more. This is where I am at this moment in time. Regards Mario Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 924Jan 18, 2019 8:03 pm Mauromario It happen at C C which is composative conferance which means all cameras a d audio is turned off I told our lawyer how can they just agree with out a fight, it was just another way to streatch us out financially. Hi Mario. I am very sorry to read this as I have been following your posts but the basic fact is that the builder knew more about the legal procedure than your solicitor did. Your bottom feeder has let you down big time and it is inexcusable. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 925Jan 18, 2019 8:36 pm Mauromario your on the right path, you have to get down and dirty or be buried, unfortunately most honest over trusting clients get done like a burnt dinner, you would be doing a big service to all to expose our mostly untrustworthy volume builders who set the standards of what you can get away with and even worst, governments listen to them and allow the worst consumer law in the country to apply to our biggest purchases, just imagine asking myer, k mart, rivers to set retail laws, that's basically what we do here in Australia, while we try to play God with the weather and spend billions on pie in the sky, we allow third world type building practices. We don't even make it mandatory to protect slab perimeters as its builders, get out of jail card, GO Mauromario. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 926Jan 18, 2019 9:16 pm Mauromario It happen at C C which is composative conferance which means all cameras a d audio is turned off how convenient. This just seems extraordinary. I would certainly go to the Ombudsman about this. There seems to be a giant flaw in the VCAT proceedings that the builders have exploited. I can imagine your anger and frustration. What does your solicitor say? Surely he or she is partly responsible for not getting something in writing. What sort of a legal outcome is that? Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 927Jan 19, 2019 7:53 pm Hi. Liliana I've had to stop answering questions on forums because of how angry I have become I blame my solicitor because they should never excepted that the builder would do the right thing I am tired and so god dam angry the system had loopholes that only builders and there lawless lawyers no about it, I just don't get it how our solicitor and the member of vcat excepted what the builder told them and apparently the member is very hursh on builders, well I knew darn well it was to easy s...it I even knew it was another way for the builder to streatch us out more financially. Well I've had it with everyone right now I don't even care about defermation laws I'd li like to see Burbank try that on me they will be very surprised what I have install f our them, burbanks dirty laundry is about to come out for the world to see and read. Burbank has made a very very big big big mistake with us now we have it this information they were warned to late now. That's all for now but aim dam angry. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 928Jan 19, 2019 11:30 pm Giving information to a newspaper will protect you and get a good spread of attention, newspapers love passionate people with juicy stories, this aproach has successfully worked for me over the years with numerous stories on many subjects printed, the vultures deserve everything coming their way. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 929Jan 20, 2019 7:51 am Mauromario Hi. Liliana I've had to stop answering questions on forums because of how angry I have become I blame my solicitor because they should never excepted that the builder would do the right thing I am tired and so god dam angry the system had loopholes that only builders and there lawless lawyers no about it, I just don't get it how our solicitor and the member of vcat excepted what the builder told them and apparently the member is very hursh on builders, well I knew darn well it was to easy s...it I even knew it was another way for the builder to streatch us out more financially. Well I've had it with everyone right now I don't even care about defermation laws I'd li like to see Burbank try that on me they will be very surprised what I have install f our them, burbanks dirty laundry is about to come out for the world to see and read. Burbank has made a very very big big big mistake with us now we have it this information they were warned to late now. That's all for now but aim dam angry. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 930Jan 21, 2019 10:47 am Something is very wrong with this. My experience with VCAT. Cc is that any agreement reached is documented and signed by both parties. Two day cooling off applies if parties are not legally represented otherwise that’s it. In the event of builder defaulting proceedings are reinstated and the cost of rectification awarded. Where is the loophole? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 931Jun 09, 2019 10:59 pm Below is a link to my Homeone thread promoting a petition calling for a Royal Commission into the building industry. Please take a moment to head over, have a look and sign it. I think it is worthwhile expressing support for the Builders Collective who started the petition: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95744&p=1847394#p1847394 Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 932Oct 09, 2019 2:44 pm Hi Everyone, I knew I wasn't alone and during my research on slab (waffle rafts) heaving, I stumbled on these conversations. I wonder if anyone has any comments on my slab that has heaved 130mm. I am based in melbourne. I have employeed an expert geotechnical engineer to investigate and the moisture content underneath the slab is very high. All because of a cracked pipe however my engineer stumbled on another issue and told me that the builders have not followed AS2870 as they built the slab (waffle raft) into a 'hole'. Unfortunately I have no legal rights to pursue the builder because the house is over 10 years old. This is my biggist investment and can't explain how I feel at the moment. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 933Oct 18, 2019 4:33 am Thanks for the info SaveH20, since this has all happened to us we have learned far more than I ever wanted to know about plumbing and building codes, as I am sure everyone else experienced too Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 934Oct 18, 2019 10:58 pm Yes, it was tough, but I did it. https://www.cornellengineers.com.au/how-to-fix-slab-heave/ Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 935Oct 19, 2019 9:59 am Write reply... Alina Lim Thanks for the info SaveH20, since this has all happened to us we have learned far more than I ever wanted to know about plumbing and building codes, as I am sure everyone else experienced too Alina Lim Yes, it was tough, but I did it. https://www.cornellengineers.com.au/how-to-fix-slab-heave/ Hi Alina Sounds like you have had success with fixing slab heave. How out of level was your slab and what damage was it causing to your home. My home is 154mm out of level and every wall inside and out is affected. House is heaving, sinking and twisting. Cornell engineering - I read the link that Alina posted. Is it possible for my home? Will my house be ever level and how? From where I sit, it would be cheaper to KRB. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 936Oct 19, 2019 11:48 pm My goodness,130mm,154mm, It's like the next shonk builder is trying to raise you,it would be good to know what percentage of waffle slabs get slab problems compared to Raft slabs,stumps, etc,from what we hear you would expect waffle slab to have more chance of problems as their almost under engineered, especially with these gigantic numbers,we need big changes in building practices and keeping interested parties away from built sites isn't helping, too much covered up. Feel very sorry for the unfortunate people who experience this dishonest and or lack of quality structural care. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 937Oct 20, 2019 12:24 am I have often wondered what would happen in the scenario where a builder didn't attend to site drainage (some are recidivists) and the new home owner had site moisture samples taken pre handover and the site was found to have high moisture levels in different areas next to the slab. Could that alter the site classification, arguably making a standard waffle slab under-engineered and thereby non compliant? A bit like buying a new car but driving away with retreads perhaps? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 938Oct 20, 2019 11:18 am [quote="Joker":rfz7hl0f]My goodness,130mm,154mm, It's like the next shonk builder is trying to raise you,it would be good to know what percentage of waffle slabs get slab problems compared to Raft slabs,stumps, etc,from what we hear you would expect waffle slab to have more chance of problems as their almost under engineered, especially with these gigantic numbers,we need big changes in building practices and keeping interested parties away from built sites isn't helping, too much covered up. Feel very sorry for the unfortunate people who experience this dishonest and or lack of quality structural care. [/quote:rfz7hl0f] Joker, it's like they are raising the stakes. Problem is the builder and his mates get a slap of the hand from the regulatory bodies and then continue ruining dreams and lives. Changes are definitely needed, but who is listening? Not the government departments and ministers I have written to. They ignore it. They don't care. When the money is rolling in because of the need for more housing and incentives are being offered, that's all they care about. Insurance premiums are continuing to rise to pay for cowboys incompetence and lack of building practices against the codes and regulations. Maybe it's up to the insurance companies to push the government departments. Mitigation is the word that stands out here that appears to be forgotten about, just like the word 'integrity'. [quote="SaveH2O":rfz7hl0f]I have often wondered what would happen in the scenario where a builder didn't attend to site drainage (some are recidivists) and the new home owner had site moisture samples taken pre handover and the site was found to have high moisture levels in different areas next to the slab. Could that alter the site classification, arguably making a standard waffle slab under-engineered and thereby non compliant? A bit like buying a new car but driving away with retreads perhaps?[/quote:rfz7hl0f] SaveH2O, would this be any different to the current situation that happens? All the 'experts' get involved and will continue to blame each other that were involved in the build and using their 'get out of jail' free cards. Many builders are recidivists, I am seeing this now, not only with my property but other properties my builder has built and currently building. Wonderful thing Facebook etc when he boasts about his new projects, posting photos as the build progresses. Many examples of poor building practices and non-compliance re drainage etc. These won't be any help in my case, but it is evidence that he continues to go about his merry way building his houses, selling them and making a packet by cutting down costs, then hiding behind his insurance companies and lawyers when things go wrong. One of the VBA's values are Evidence Based practices....well I don't think they meant from my example above, but I have submitted my complaint that my photo examples are upholding their values and need to take action against the builder and his mates including the Building Surveyor who ticked off work despite retaining wall not installed as per plans (this retaining wall was added in 3rd set of drawings that I was not aware of until this year). Still waiting for a response from the VBA since June. Won't hold my breath. If we don't get a Building Commission then maybe a class action against the VBA where they have failed consumers. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 939Oct 20, 2019 11:40 am SaveH2O I have often wondered what would happen in the scenario where a builder didn't attend to site drainage (some are recidivists) and the new home owner had site moisture samples taken pre handover and the site was found to have high moisture levels in different areas next to the slab. Could that alter the site classification, arguably making a standard waffle slab under-engineered and thereby non compliant? A bit like buying a new car but driving away with retreads perhaps? Yes I can confirm this happens. For example if you have a class H2 site classification and the builder doesn't address site drainage during construction then the soil moisture levels can rise and the site becomes a class P(abnormal moisture conditions).If this happens then ground movement can exceed the designed ground movement for the slab and hence slab heave. The builder will usually say well this happened after hand over. Re: Has anyone rectified slab heave successfully 940Oct 20, 2019 3:38 pm insider Yes I can confirm this happens. For example if you have a class H2 site classification and the builder doesn't address site drainage during construction then the soil moisture levels can rise and the site becomes a class P(abnormal moisture conditions).If this happens then ground movement can exceed the designed ground movement for the slab and hence slab heave. The builder will usually say well this happened after hand over. Hi insider. Your reply is very interesting yet so obvious. Is there a maximum moisture content limit for a P class site? It also appears that some builders give scant attention to site drainage when a raft slab with piers is used. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. 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