Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Nov 16, 2012 10:58 pm Hey So looking at getting a draftsman to draw up my plans and we have a quote and just want to see if it is around the mark cause we are new at all this. We have provide a plan of what we would like. The plan is of a house of around 300-320m2 and we are located in Adelaide. The quote is as follows: Floor Plan $750 Elevation Plan $750 Oganise Council $200 Working Drawings $1500 I understand there will be other fees like soil test, engineer, Contour and survey. But what I would like to know if this prices are around the mark and if there will be any other drawings I will need? Thank Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 2Nov 17, 2012 12:01 am BlakeyP Hey So looking at getting a draftsman to draw up my plans and we have a quote and just want to see if it is around the mark cause we are new at all this. We have provide a plan of what we would like. The plan is of a house of around 300-320m2 and we are located in Adelaide. The quote is as follows: Floor Plan $750 Elevation Plan $750 Oganise Council $200 Working Drawings $1500 I understand there will be other fees like soil test, engineer, Contour and survey. But what I would like to know if this prices are around the mark and if there will be any other drawings I will need? Thank I think that is quite reasonable (if not cheap). Recently I paid around $9k for dual-occ docs just up to Town Planning stage (in Melb). I expect that the whole thing will cost me close to $20k Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 3Nov 17, 2012 8:38 am Having had previous discussions with a friend draftsman. He indicated that plans are usually around $10,000. Building Henley Monaco Nouveau Q1 - Mernda Villages https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57810 http://razbuild.blogspot.com.au/ Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 4Nov 17, 2012 9:43 am Other drawings you can get include the electrical plans, but that's often done by your choice of builder. The price seems reasonable as long as you can confirm the drawings exactly. Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 5Nov 17, 2012 9:59 pm Don't forget the window and door schedule - required for the energy assessment,, the flooring plan required for the energy assessment rating, the energy assessment rating and any fire assessments necessary. Also as I assume you will be an owner builder, don't forget how much for changes to the plan as you find things may not be to your liking. An electrical plan is better worked out with the builder or electrician. Re the building permit, whoever issues that will organise the council requirements and advise you of who is to conduct .building inspections for you. All our plans excluding building permit fees etc came to about $4k and we had numerous changes along the way. This was all of above up the issue of the permit. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 6Feb 03, 2013 9:16 pm It is really amazing how much these costs vary. cheers Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 7Feb 04, 2013 1:52 pm I am also interested in this. We have the planning Permit issued from council, we are up to the stage of tender with one builder, however considering getting a second quote from another building. We need to getting working drawings, civil drawings and electrical drawings, and the energy report ... Does anyone have any recommendations for architects or draftsmen in Melbourne to go thru, or would it be easier to just use our current architect. Are there any other drawings that we require? And does anyone have any idea how much these should cost? Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 8Feb 05, 2013 6:44 am The problem with planning permit drawings is that they are often severely deficient from a building point of view. I have at least seven clients right now who had planning permits when they came to me. I had to redraw every set of plans. One even showed a finished floor level timber home below ground level. So overal heights worked out but how could you build it? There are some good draftspeople but they are quite expensive and almost as bad as the architects from a money point of view. Most leave a lot for others to sort out and I am talking about how one conforms to a standard and what beam where. That sort of thing. That is the reason I moved to doing our drawings in house. Cost and quality control. Now of course we have gone better with 3 D. Fantastic. I think the era of Designer Builders is upon us. These guys design and build. They take responsibility for both and that makes a one stop shop. PM me if you want a good but expensive draftsperson. cheers Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 9Feb 05, 2013 8:01 am I have to completely agree with Leighton here. We spent a lot of money getting a building designer to do all of our technical drawings and then found that she really just expected the builder to be "flexible" as she put it and "wing" it when something wasn't accounted for. In hindsight we should have got a concept plan done by a building designer and then taken it to a builder to do the technical drawings - and preferably not to a builder chosen by the same building designer. If only you had been on Homeone three years ago Leighton! Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 11Feb 05, 2013 11:22 pm tjilpi A builder won't actually 'do' your working drawings, they will employ the services of someone capable of drafting a plan. A 'builder' can sign off plans for a building they are constructing themselves. Only a registered building designer or architect can produce drawings that can be used by a range of builders. As Leighton has said, the 'new' designer/builder will do their own (your) working drawings. Anyone can do drawings that a builder can work to. The drawings have to have all the information required and just as importantly, are able to be read by the builder. I’ve seen plenty of drawings that have all the info needed to make something but are indecipherable. This is more a sign of the times when youngin’s don’t get shown how to prepare and layout drawings, rather are just shown how to use the software then come away from a course thinking they are now a 'qualified' draftsman.....ok.....rant off..... ----------------------------------------------- http://pab34newdigs.blogspot.com.au/ ----------------------------------------------- Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 13Feb 06, 2013 1:11 am tjilpi 'Anyone' cannot produce plans for construction where a building permit is required. A registered building designer must draw the plans OR a registered builder can sign them off for his / their own jobs. Where the builder is responsible for the build, you’re right. For an owner builder, you’re wrong (in Queensland, anyway). An owner builder (which is what I’ve assumed this topic is based around as BlakeyP is getting their own drawings, soil test, survey, etc. done) is entitled to undertake their own design, including specifications, for the purposes of constructing their own dwelling under an owner builder permit. They then engage the builder and all the other trades as subcontractors. But to be clear, ‘anyone’ cannot produce drawings for the general public. ----------------------------------------------- http://pab34newdigs.blogspot.com.au/ ----------------------------------------------- Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 14Feb 06, 2013 1:30 am I don't really know what the differences are but we paid a designer to do everything for us. Since we were doing a major reno (so major is was classed as a new build by council) our designers came out to site and measured everything then provided drawings then submitted everything to council and once we got planning approval they did all of the building drawings plus put together the tender document. Which they tendered on and got, so are now building our house It was not cheap for us at all, but we've not had to worry about anything. We had a cost structure in place - the lower of total hours worked or 5% of build price. Then we paid all other costs on top. I think you get what you pay for and I would shop around, when we first started looking we got 3 different parties to go out and have a look around the house/site so they could get a feel for what we wanted, make notes, ask questions etc they then went away and gave us a cost estimate for the whole thing. Another thing we did is we wanted someone that was experienced with our council so we went through the councils development application register and researched companies/businesses that had current applications in with council. So after all that I think the prices you have been quotes seem quite cheap but I guess it all depends on the complexities of the house you want to build and on the land you want to put it. Our house offered a number of challenges that probably required heaps of time and head scratching from the designers. Re: Draftmans Drawings costs..... 16Feb 06, 2013 8:16 am Hi Tjilpi, I didn't mean to imply that any builder could do the drawings. Some builders are building designers as well and some have their own draftspeople or designers, so you're right I would definitely expect a professional to do the drawings. We just had a very bad experience and would never do things the same way again. You ask why the plans were acceptable to the building surveyor. I was under the impression that building surveyors are only looking for major problems affecting health and safety. Most of our problems occurred because the builder claimed the plans didn't provide adequate construction detail and things were either missing from the drawings or couldn't be put where the plans showed eg an outside light and a down pipe one on top of the other. We also had a major problem with the site levels though I don't really know whose fault that was. Pellana, when you say you get what you pay for, I would have to disagree. This is exactly the line both our building designer and our builder used and I completely mistrust it now. I would heartily agree with you though that you have to shop around and be very selective - that is really the only way you will know that what you are getting really is what you paid for! Thanks very much! And would the landscaper/contractor generally involve the engineer or is that something the client would do? 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