Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Apr 02, 2008 1:57 pm Hi!!
Well our offer we put in on a block of land was accepted on Monday and my Husband came home that night with the great (?) idea of building the house ourselves!! So getting in different people to do the diferent bits, bricks etc and doing some things like paintint etc ourselves. Just wondering if anyone else has done this and how was it and did it save you money? Thankyou! Re: DIY House Builing? 2Apr 02, 2008 4:11 pm Google Owner builder and I'm sure you will get bucket loads of hits.
i havent done it, I only know one person who has, but he's a builder by trade so it doesnt really count. Generally you will have to do some kind of owner builder course to be able to get your plans approved thru council and to also get somekind of homeowners warranty. Different states/councils have different rules so check up with your local council on what your required to do. Its more about what your legal responsibilities are during construction rather than how to do it. My builder mate who built his own home (been building houses for 15 years) was required to do an owner builder course. Couple of things to think about. - It will generally take you 2-3 times as long to finish the house compared to a building company. -You will not be able to get trades at the same rate as a construction company -You will not be able to get the same price on materials as a builder. -Generally banks dont like lending money to owner builders. I dont think they will lend you anywhere near the 90% of the value like they would if a construction company were doing it. Check with them but it might be as low as 40%-50% of the value. I'm sure others will post other things to consider. Saying all this, We moved into our new house last June and we're just about to put it on the market. I'm now thinking about buying acreage and doing the owner builder thing too. Re: DIY House Builing? 3Apr 02, 2008 4:26 pm Shady,
I'm no expert on this but I thought that the training was only if you were going to do the actual building itself. The guy we rent our house from has built a number of homes. What he does is gets in the various trades and then they do everything according to the plans. So he will call in someone to clear the site, call someone to box up and then call someone to pour the slab etc etc. Basically he is a glorified site supervisor. Are you saying he needs a license/training? (I'll ask him about this next time I see him) His building time is not far from ours but we do have 2 to 3 times the floorspace and ours is double storey. He is nt really pushing it so I think it could be substantially speeded up. I know that I would get multiple trades in at once and chase them up when they don't turn up. Our volume builder is not great on this. Certainly volume builders get good prices but if you go for non standard items you land up paying not just the retail price but they add 20%. Depends on what you are building I guess. Finance is likely to be the biggest obstacle. Re: DIY House Builing? 4Apr 02, 2008 5:46 pm i am classed as an owner builder because our renovation was quite extensive.
Basically we gutted the inside of a 80 year old house rebuilt the entire thing and changed some external walls in the process. It was still easier than a complete build but my god do not think its some easy simple way to save a few bob. If you are in an area where volume builders are operating and you like the final product then i would heavily recommend sorting which you prefer and going from there. We wanted something different and of course the main option was small scale builders which meant quite high prices (renovations are a dog builders tend to either over quote or put in allot of get out of jail cards because it can get out of hand quickly). A volume builder has access to a pool of labour/tradies for each task. If you get bumped (and you will because you are a one of job) you may lose windows with your other trades. Then you rebook the times and bank you end up with a down time where you pay rent/home loan for your current place, risk having **** stolen, etc.... Your owner builder quote you have drawn out will be missing all kinds of things and the volume guys have built efficiency's into what they do. I will most certainly be going down the owner builder path again for renovations but after doing a minor job, major job i am still not ready for a fresh build. Re: DIY House Builing? 5Apr 02, 2008 5:48 pm 3xb - nope! My mum's a school teacher & dad's a cafe owner - they "owner built" which really meant "owner pays, superivses and organises" ![]() Was a weekend course at TAFE - and in the final exam (which was supposed to be closed book) the teacher walked out of the room and hinted that people could open their materials to help them complete the exam! After 4 years - we're in! Re: DIY House Builing? 6Apr 02, 2008 6:43 pm I owner built. I had no clue, however my partner is a chippy/builder and my dad has owner built a couple of houses so I had that organized.
Yeah it does take longer, however in my case it's my own fault as i'm stalling the process. I'm not far off. Would I ever build again, HELL NO!!!! Thank god if it's ever done again my partner is a builder and he can do it..all! The best part about doing it like I did was, well I got exactly what I wanted. I was pretty set up with trades as my dad knew people as did my partner. I got heaps of stuff at "mates rates". I got to have Downside it takes ALOT of your time. I'm working full time and have been studying full time at uni during the last 3 years so I had to juggle everything with building. Lets be real, I had no idea about construction and I learned heaps during this time and my partner being really patient and explaining things to me. My partner did help my with the house, however it's not "our" house, it's my house. Can't wait till we build our dream house. If i didn't have my dad and partner there I would have never done it. I can't stress enough that you have to know what you are doing or what is going on. Tradies hate nothing more than owner builders being disorganized and calling them in before it is their time, or not knowing what is going on. I know for a fact that you need 20% cash deposit before the bank will lend you money as an owner builder. Also they will only pay out in stages and also if you owe for your block they wont give you a construction loan. Oh and I believe when people say you over spend as an owner builder. I didn't have a budget, I got what I wanted and realized we spent over 100k than expected. Re: DIY House Builing? 7Apr 02, 2008 9:34 pm I did an adult ed course last year on how to be an owner builder (not the training course - just general info) as we were thinking of going down this path to try and save money.
What did I learn?? Unless you can do substantial parts of the work yourself you are very unlikely to save any money, and as previously mentioned you are the bottom of the pecking order - the tradies know that they most probably won't get repeat work from you so you are not a priority to them. That's what I was advised by the building surveyor/ex-builder who ran the course. We decided not to go down this path but we may still consider doing some of the painting ourselves as that is the only thing we really have had any experience with, (although a professional painter would most probably cringe if they saw our efforts) ![]() 'chelle We have a hand-over date...15/10...but I won't hold my breath! http://people-in-glass-houses.blogspot.com/ Re: DIY House Builing? 8Apr 02, 2008 10:04 pm Some good advice there - I disagree with the materials part. You will be able to get any materials at the same price a builder will pay. The majority of places will give the same trade discount to O/B's or like we do with things like flooring/decking, price it as a 'job lot' and give the best price for the order we can regardless of who it is. Re: DIY House Builing? 9Apr 02, 2008 10:19 pm we are currently owner building in victoria.
In vic you dont have to do a course. my DH is a bricklayer, and has many co-workers that are chippies, tilers, plumbers, slab guys etc etc. other wise I would NEVER have done it. I know nothing about building, DH knows everything! but I have more time than I know what to do with, and at my work access to fax, phone,internet etc. So I am the administrative and financial manager, and my DH is the knowledge and labour. If you dont have the contacts and know how to do it yourself, it may be quicker and easier not to. But you can get a builder to build to "lock up" and complete the project yourself It all depends on what strengths, knowledge and time each of you can provide to the project, and your financial flexibility. after all the advise, if in doubt, I suggest you dont as it can be extremely stressful. after purchasing our land in sept 07...this friday our roof trusses are being delivered...yay! good luck in your decision, Jo Re: DIY House Builing? 10Apr 03, 2008 9:58 am ![]() Some good advice there - I disagree with the materials part. You will be able to get any materials at the same price a builder will pay. The majority of places will give the same trade discount to O/B's or like we do with things like flooring/decking, price it as a 'job lot' and give the best price for the order we can regardless of who it is. thats good advice! also do a little research first if you walk in to a xyz supply to get something if you know what you are after an purchase a job lot they will treat you like a trade customer you walk in asking for a do-hicky about yeah big and half a mobile phone wide they will hesitate to give you a discount. Have how much you need and all that crap worked out at home and go in with your note pad of what you need. Re: DIY House Builing? 11Apr 03, 2008 1:10 pm ![]() But you can get a builder to build to "lock up" and complete the project yourself Can anyone advise what is actually included in "lock up". Obviously the slab, walls, roof and windows and doors, but is anything else? Like - internal walls, plaster, plumbing, electric? Thanks Simon Building an architect designed home out of Insulated Concrete Forms on acreage in semi-rural SE Melbourne. Developer approval obtained, engineering complete, getting quotes Re: DIY House Builing? 12Apr 03, 2008 2:57 pm Our builder has the option of doing everything except light fittings & switches (but wiring is done), kitchens, laundry, bathrooms (but plumbing is done), floor coverings and painting. After 4 years - we're in! Re: DIY House Builing? 13Apr 03, 2008 5:08 pm ![]() ![]() But you can get a builder to build to "lock up" and complete the project yourself Can anyone advise what is actually included in "lock up". Obviously the slab, walls, roof and windows and doors, but is anything else? Like - internal walls, plaster, plumbing, electric? It depend on which building company your talking about Here is a list of inclusions to lockup stage from a company called Addcover. http://www.addcover.com.au/Images/Broch ... usions.pdf Re: DIY House Builing? 14Apr 03, 2008 9:04 pm In Vic if your an owner builder you must use registered building practtioners to carry out your work. If the sum is over $5000 inc materials.
Trades that require registration are Bricklayers, Concreters, Carpenters. There's different types of registration, any work over $12000 they must provide you with warranty insurance. Go to the building commission website, it has all the info for owner builders. www.buildingcommission.com.au. Plumbers and Electricians are registered with there own body. ![]() Assuming the structure of your cabinetry is good then I would DIY everything as follows: - replace your counter tops entirely, - replace all drawer runners with soft close… 1 2334 Re my second point – yes exactly. And often it may take additional time if the manufacturer recommends no more than X meters… 3 1959 |