Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Feb 11, 2012 10:46 pm Hi, I'm currently building a new house at the moment, when builder delivered bricks onsite the other day, they've damaged quite few pipes, because they fixed in the slab already, are those pipes can be fixed easily? And also one cracked pipe filled with sand already in there. Even builder will fix them, will these damaged pipes have potential problem in the future? Hope anyone can help. Thanks Re: damaged pipes during construction 2Feb 12, 2012 6:25 am It depends on the pipe some of the pipes sticking out of you slab will only be to form holes in which to run other pipes and cables. damage to these isn't important. If they have damaged pipes used to drain the toilet or plumbing fixtures its important these are properly fixed. The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: damaged pipes during construction 3Feb 12, 2012 9:16 am pipes within the inside perimeter of the slab, or drainage pipes within your block but not within the slab? I have a few damaged pipes outside the slab. my builder says they will get fixed after lockup when the tradies start working inside the house. 13-08 Moved in 13-05 Build restart 13-04 VMIA compensation 12-08 Builder liquidation 12-03 Fixing 11-12 Lockup 11-11 Frame 11-09 Slab 11-09 Start 11-07 Contract 10-11 2K deposit 10-06 Titled land Re: damaged pipes during construction 4Feb 12, 2012 6:33 pm Thank you for all your replies, I appreciate it. There are couple of them just outside the slab, few of them are inside perimeter of the slab. Re: damaged pipes during construction 5Mar 26, 2012 5:33 am This should not be happening, what else is he going to break? Broken drains are a major cause of foundation problems, see my blog http://www.buildingespert.net.au/blog. Can you really trust that the pipes will be fixed properly? Builder warrants to do work in a workmanlike manner with skill and care. Clearly that is not happening. Get an expert to look after your investment and put builder on notice. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: damaged pipes during construction 6Mar 26, 2012 4:12 pm Perhaps Mr Expert the OP was referring to the forklift driver delivering bricks rather than the actual 'builder'. I think your opinion on the inability of the plumber to repair the broken pipes (which are a common occurrence) is unwarranted scare mongering. Most of those pipes sticking through the slab have to be extended or have fittings attached which one can hardly do without repairing them properly >> been there, done that. Arfur Re: damaged pipes during construction 7Mar 26, 2012 4:56 pm Hi Uncle Arfur The actual builder is the man in charge"the captain" paid and responsible for everything that is done or not done on the job and here he is not doing it. If he has already displayed lack of control would you trust him with your investment? No one will convince me that IQ of 150 is required to predict that bricks will have to be delivered and precautions need to be taken to stop forklift sinking and smashing pipes. Even Fred Flinstone would work that out. As for plumbers, yes in the ideal world it will all be fixed but I regularly find smashed drains after handover and the same plumbers cutting frame braces inside homes to fit their pipes. Is it unwarranted scaremongering? I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it but i know otherwise. It's a free county and we are all richer for the diversity of opinion. Cheers Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: damaged pipes during construction 8Mar 26, 2012 6:28 pm building-expert Hi Uncle Arfur The actual builder is the man in charge"the captain" paid and responsible for everything that is done or not done on the job and here he is not doing it. If he has already displayed lack of control would you trust him with your investment? No one will convince me that IQ of 150 is required to predict that bricks will have to be delivered and precautions need to be taken to stop forklift sinking and smashing pipes. Even Fred Flinstone would work that out. As for plumbers, yes in the ideal world it will all be fixed but I regularly find smashed drains after handover and the same plumbers cutting frame braces inside homes to fit their pipes. Is it unwarranted scaremongering? I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it but i know otherwise. It's a free county and we are all richer for the diversity of opinion. Cheers I have to agree with Uncle Arfur here, you seem to create a world of doom and gloom with just about every post you make. I don't know what your agenda is, but I get the feeling you are simply here pushing your own barrow and you want every one who builds a house believe there builder is a shonk and there house will fall down unless they get an "expert" in. With a total of 34yrs in the building industry I've spent the last 14 in the maintenance side. I've seen thousands of houses and I can tell you, the large majority of houses are pretty good. Sure there are houses with major defects, and sure there are builders who don't take responsibilty for some of it. But to come out and say to the OP "If he has already displayed lack of control would you trust him with your investment? No one will convince me that IQ of 150 is required to predict that bricks will have to be delivered and precautions need to be taken to stop forklift sinking and smashing pipes." does nothing to help them. But thats just my opinion. Re: damaged pipes during construction 9Mar 26, 2012 7:42 pm Hi mgilla Yes your point is well taken. There are over 20,000 dwellings built in Victoria and many are constructed well with no significant issues. It gives me a great pleasure to tell my client that their builder has done a great job but it does not happen often enough. Two types of clients call me. Firstly the ones that see value in getting their own inspection and book it for their piece of mind. Secondly the ones that already have issues with the builder. It is easy to misunderstand that I am spreading doom and gloom when I see only a few of of the thousands of homes built and many of them well. But it's doom and gloom to some of my client's with dreadful problems. I have seen some people completely shattered and devastated Yes my business is property inspection, I advertise here, and there is no hidden agenda, but many of my clients have said consistently over last eight years that had they known independent property inspection was available they would have booked. In the end I want to share my experiences with you and you will be richer for it, if it helps to make informed decision and priorities then it's a good thing Also it is not just about house falling down its also about quality. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: damaged pipes during construction 10Mar 26, 2012 8:34 pm I've got to agree that -some- of your posts on H1 so far have been actually bordering scaremongering trying to convince people to get inspections (done by your business?) and are otherwise rather light on actual advice. You've come right out on the front foot with your between-the-lines marketing of your business since joining H1 recently (which is your prerogative as a paid-up advertiser), but I suspect that a building inspector may gain as much - if not more - business by being approachable and having a good word-of-mouth reputation with past customers as they would with an in your face scare campaign of "get me to inspect your house or you'll be sorry" (which is the way you are currently coming across). It is entirely possible to strike a happy medium here - in the end do you want to be trying (and failing) to scare people into bringing you more business (after all people tend to shy away from someone that is a little too in-your-face as a general rule of thumb), or would you rather people seek you out because you appear to be an approachable and friendly option for home inspections? This is just some general advice - take it or leave it as you wish. Some people apparently have nothing better to do than comment on other people's sigs. Re: damaged pipes during construction 11Mar 26, 2012 9:13 pm wow. i thought it was just me that thought that about him after reading some of his posts too.....well there you go. Re: damaged pipes during construction 12Mar 26, 2012 10:21 pm bobopingping Hi, I'm currently building a new house at the moment, when builder delivered bricks onsite the other day, they've damaged quite few pipes, because they fixed in the slab already, are those pipes can be fixed easily? And also one cracked pipe filled with sand already in there. Even builder will fix them, will these damaged pipes have potential problem in the future? Hope anyone can help. Thanks bobopingping, Hi, I also have the same situation like you. Few of my pipes that are suppose to sticking out of the slab, are crushedand damage. Here some photos of them. http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd444/willcress/017.jpg What did your site supervisor say? I'm going to report this to my SS tomorrow. Re: damaged pipes during construction 14Mar 27, 2012 2:09 am This happens all the time, particularly here in WA where we have internal brick walls. In fact some plumbers come back after the slab has been poured and cut off their pipes flush with the slab and then cap them to prevent them being smashed off and filled with sand and rubble when the slab gets loaded. This is a very easy fix for the plumber. I would try and prevent to much dirt and rubbish filling up the pipes though. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: damaged pipes during construction 15Mar 27, 2012 3:26 am Mr Expert (and we all know what an expert is dont we folks) with his smears on builders being responsible for a careless forklift driver delivering bricks hasn't won any support here, and ditto his unwarranted insults of tradesmen. As an advertiser here I guess we must tolerate (but not read) his 'doom and gloom' opinions, so I rest my case. The reason pipes are left above ground is so they can be seen, and above the slab, well that's obvious, however I found over the years that pipes open to the elements become an irresistible target for the local little-dears who want to see how many rocks etc it takes to fill them. Until your supervisor leaps into action I suggest a temporary covering/stuffing the ends Arfur Re: damaged pipes during construction 16Mar 27, 2012 7:21 am willcres bobopingping Hi, I'm currently building a new house at the moment, when builder delivered bricks onsite the other day, they've damaged quite few pipes, because they fixed in the slab already, are those pipes can be fixed easily? And also one cracked pipe filled with sand already in there. Even builder will fix them, will these damaged pipes have potential problem in the future? Hope anyone can help. Thanks bobopingping, Hi, I also have the same situation like you. Few of my pipes that are suppose to sticking out of the slab, are crushedand damage. Here some photos of them. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ What did your site supervisor say? I'm going to report this to my SS tomorrow. The only problem I can see here is someone may cut themselves on the pipe. As far as a construction defect this is a non event as the pipes will be cut off flush with the slab anyway. If your worried about rubbish going down there stuff some newspaper down there that can be removed later. Cheers Re: damaged pipes during construction 17Mar 27, 2012 8:13 am [quote="mgillaThe only problem I can see here is someone may cut themselves on the pipe. As far as a construction defect this is a non event as the pipes will be cut off flush with the slab anyway. If your worried about rubbish going down there stuff some newspaper down there that can be removed later. Cheers[/quote] Thank you, mgilla. Appreciate your opinion. I have others concern too, like medium chips near the edge of our slab, because their excavator, is this this common ? Re: damaged pipes during construction 18Mar 27, 2012 11:46 am For those of you who think I am over the top I have prepared three cases of homes with broken drains found after handover (there are more) and the unsatisfactory results for my clients. http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog If I have missed something please correct me. How would you handle this? What would you say to the builder if this was your daughter's house? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: damaged pipes during construction 19Mar 27, 2012 12:29 pm willcres [quote="mgillaThe only problem I can see here is someone may cut themselves on the pipe. As far as a construction defect this is a non event as the pipes will be cut off flush with the slab anyway. If your worried about rubbish going down there stuff some newspaper down there that can be removed later. Cheers Thank you, mgilla. Appreciate your opinion. I have others concern too, like medium chips near the edge of our slab, because their excavator, is this this common ?[/quote] Just note the location of the chips, try and get there once the frame goes up and take some pics. if they are under an external corner of the frame or close to where a tie down bolt is then kick up a stink and make sure they are repaired. Anywhere else along a wall, as long as some of the bottom plate is supported I wouldn't be too concerned with. Re: damaged pipes during construction 20Mar 27, 2012 12:39 pm building-expert For those of you who think I am over the top I have prepared three cases of homes with broken drains found after handover (there are more) and the unsatisfactory results for my clients. http://www.buildingexpert.net/blog Please note that your URL is wrong. There should be a ".au" 1 62025 It's hard to comment as the photos area bit dark ( you might need a new 15 - just got one and wow ) Jokes aside, I can see one member that is cracked. I would find a… 2 2222 4 5122 |