Browse Forums General Discussion 1 May 22, 2011 11:27 pm I’m just wondering what license/qualifications you need to build residential for profit in Victoria I'm an electrical contractor and I know under the electrical safety act its Illegal for anyone to do any sort of electrical work unlicensed and the only way to get license is by an apprenticeship end of story? I assumed the building trade was the same. Doing some research contemplating a career change to some form of drafting /house design path I come across this site http://www.tradeinstitute.vic.edu.au/ And accordingly one can become a registered builder by doing a 36 week course assuringly Certificate IV in Building and Construction (Building) subject to conditions Building Commission of Victoria in which states you must have 3 years experience Sorely this is open to corruption I’m was also under the impression to build for profit one has to be a registered building Practitioner but many trades are listed to be eligible to become a RBP including draftsmen?? So does this mean I can do a cert3 in drafting and become a RBP and go building houses?? What happened to the apprenticeship? Am I missing something? Re: Builders License confusion 2May 23, 2011 10:15 am Whilst yes technically anyone can become a registered building practitioner, all of the works must meet the relevant standards and codes. Your apprenticeship was to teach you how to carry out your trades and certify that you have shown are capable in that trade. It doesn't mean that you will not make an error at some stage but that you know how each job in your scope should be done. There are various stages that require building inspectors to sign off that all RBP need to have done. The inspectors are responsible for the work they sign for and take the responsibility if something is found to be not right. For the most part you find that Joe Blogs gets his RBP cert so that he can build 2 or 3 units on his block and do it as cheaply as possible. Re: Builders License confusion 3May 23, 2011 10:18 am Your confusing your self here. There are many RBP. You can be a RBP for Concreting right through to building surveyor. In order to build houses you need to be RBP in the form of DBU or DBM. Ie domestic building Unlimited or Management. Unlimited means you can sign off everything and do your own work. Where as management means you technically need to hire RBP in there individual trades. Doing a course only means you have been thought the theory but you still need to show your capable in all aspect of building houses. Getting your builders license is a bit like going for a job interview. Re: Builders License confusion 4May 23, 2011 4:15 pm Quote: There are various stages that require building inspectors to sign off that all RBP need to have done. The inspectors are responsible for the work they sign for and take the responsibility if something is found to be not right. This is incorrect. The builder is always responsible. ".....teach people the flanges are rubber and are damaged when a gorilla turns them off....." Re: Builders License confusion 5May 23, 2011 4:17 pm Quote: Getting your builders license is a bit like going for a job interview. A joke..right...????... I thought you were serious for a moment!! ".....teach people the flanges are rubber and are damaged when a gorilla turns them off....." Re: Builders License confusion 6May 23, 2011 4:28 pm Nev, you are not mistaken. It HAS changed. In order to get a builders license you need to get a Cert IV qualification. The course you looked at is one of those. All the TAFE's do them, and also private providers. It's the old "Clerk of Works" course. But, you need to have a Cert III in a trade course (your elect apprenticship is Cert III) before you can do the Cert IV course. Carpenters (God's trade, BTW) and Bricklayers can walk straight-in. I think the "lesser-trades", sparkies etc, need to do some other small courses, "How to use a Tape Measure", "Screwdrivers are not hammers" etc. When you have the Cert IV, you then apply to be licensed. For this you need experience in the industry, referrals, work history, insurance etc. There are also lesser qualifications that let you be a site supervisor, under the supervisor of a licensed builder - ie, most of the SS's that run project home jobs (now wouldn't that be the worse job in the world...) ".....teach people the flanges are rubber and are damaged when a gorilla turns them off....." Re: Builders License confusion 7May 23, 2011 4:41 pm BuilderPaul When you have the Cert IV, you then apply to be licensed. For this you need experience in the industry, referrals, work history, insurance etc. Sounds like a job interview..... I think that is the part B star was referring to. Anyone can do the theory, it's the prac that will expose the pretenders. By the way, I agree with your description of carpenters. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Builders License confusion 8May 23, 2011 8:45 pm BuilderPaul Quote: Getting your builders license is a bit like going for a job interview. A joke..right...????... I thought you were serious for a moment!! Yes an interview. Well thats the case in vic. You don't always need to do a cert IV. For the theory section you need to show you understand the theory. Having done the course is one way of showing that. But for different people there may be other way. Re: Builders License confusion 9May 24, 2011 12:55 pm People always seem to get confused between a registered builder and a tradesman. Tradesman have done an apprenticeship and can actually build (if they are a carpenter) do electrical (if they are an electrician) etc etc A registered builder does not need to actually be able to hammer in the nails.They are the person quoting, employing tradesman and contractors, supervising, taking responsibility for the job being finished to Australian standards and they are responsible for the 7 years after the job is finished. They hold the licence that makes them responsible for any problems. On order to get Builders Insurance you need to be a registered builder. In order to do this you need to have 3 years experience in the building industry AND satisfy the requirements of the registered builders board. If you think you are capable of satisfying this you can apply to the registered builders board with no TAFE course. However, as so much of what they require is about estimation, paperwork, management of staff, building standards etc there are courses on offer for those who need this knowledge to prepare for their application. The Cert IV being the minimum requirement for a domestic builder. The Cert IV can be done over 26 weeks or 2 years, depending which TAFE you go through. The 26 week option will have LOTS of work required to be done outside the contact hours of the course. And yes, a draughtsman can become a registered builder IF they have the required experience in the building industry and the knowledge to successfully apply to the builders board. Doing any course is not a guarantee of becoming a registered builder. You have to show you have the necessary skills and knowledge. For the record it is harder to become a registered builder now than it used to be Re: Builders License confusion 10May 24, 2011 9:32 pm tjilpi People always seem to get confused between a registered builder and a tradesman. Tradesman have done an apprenticeship and can actually build (if they are a carpenter) do electrical (if they are an electrician) etc etc A registered builder does not need to actually be able to hammer in the nails.They are the person quoting, employing tradesman and contractors, supervising, taking responsibility for the job being finished to Australian standards and they are responsible for the 7 years after the job is finished. They hold the licence that makes them responsible for any problems. On order to get Builders Insurance you need to be a registered builder. In order to do this you need to have 3 years experience in the building industry AND satisfy the requirements of the registered builders board. If you think you are capable of satisfying this you can apply to the registered builders board with no TAFE course. However, as so much of what they require is about estimation, paperwork, management of staff, building standards etc there are courses on offer for those who need this knowledge to prepare for their application. The Cert IV being the minimum requirement for a domestic builder. The Cert IV can be done over 26 weeks or 2 years, depending which TAFE you go through. The 26 week option will have LOTS of work required to be done outside the contact hours of the course. And yes, a draughtsman can become a registered builder IF they have the required experience in the building industry and the knowledge to successfully apply to the builders board. Doing any course is not a guarantee of becoming a registered builder. You have to show you have the necessary skills and knowledge. For the record it is harder to become a registered builder now than it used to be OK so where does a Building practitioner fit into the picture Re: Builders License confusion 11May 25, 2011 9:07 pm Registered Builder = Registered Building Practitioner The licensed person who holds the builders insurance. This person may be a carpenter, who therefore does the building work himself, or may be someone who employs or sub-contracts tradies and oversees the jobs Re: Builders License confusion 12May 25, 2011 10:10 pm tjilpi Registered Builder = Registered Building Practitioner The licensed person who holds the builders insurance. This person may be a carpenter, who therefore does the building work himself, or may be someone who employs or sub-contracts tradies and oversees the jobs Theres my point A draftsman can become a building practitioner So a draftsman can build houses for profit like Hammer and nails type work!!!!!!! Re: Builders License confusion 13May 26, 2011 8:54 am The post is confusing. A registered building practitioner can be a painter, electrician, carpenter, tiler etc. If your a building practitioner you can only do that applicable to your area. However if you are a RBP in the form of DBU/M (domestic builder limited/manger) then you can build houses. If I remember correct Architects are an exception and are allowed to managed houses being built however they are not allowed to do any of the work themselves, and should be hiring RBP in the trade they need done. Re: Builders License confusion 14May 26, 2011 3:28 pm What point Nev??? A draftsman get be a Registered Building Practitioner with a domestic licence, as can an electrician, tiler, carpenter or bus driver if they have the building experience and required knowledge to satisfy the Building Commission. However, unless they have the skills of a carpenter they will be EMPLOYING qualified tradespeople, not hammering in the nails themselves. For the record, A draftsman is likely to have a very good knowledge of building codes, Australian Standards, how a house is built (in theory) and the process of running a job. Getting a licence is more about satisfying requirements so that you can get the insurance required, by law, for jobs over $12,000. It is about the Building Commission seeing that you have the skills to complete a job to the satisfaction of the law and the client. As they have to step in and pay for the problem if you (the builder) don't (and then pursue you, the builder, for compensation) It is a protection for consumers. It is not a skills test in carpentry Re: Builders License confusion 15Nov 29, 2014 11:02 pm Hi sorry to dig up old post but I was looking at going for my builder licence. 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