Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 2Nov 02, 2010 4:41 am Great article and raises ALOT of great points that not just the VIC Govt fail at but I think all state governments fail at I look at my housing estate and it is well serviced by PT and this should only improve when the main road opens in the future However my estate is not on the OUTSKIRTS and the infrastructure has being part of the area for a long time due to its proximity to the city so is different to other ESTATES The estates I look at that fail in sydney are on the outskirts and most if not all have little access to PT and recreational activites without the use of a vehicle Oran park, camden and most of the Hills district are severely lacking basic PT needs, yet are the largest areas for new housing in sydney But PT is just one factor Disenchanted youth really should be a result of parentals I dont know if petty crime can be totally attributed to them I mean what will they do with a water heater or building materials??? Unless they are making a cubby/humpy in the scrub I went outside once. The graphics were alright, but the gameplay sucked! Settlement:22nd June Slab:27th August Frame:16th Sept Bricked:21st Oct Roof:24th Nov Linings HANDOVER23rd March! Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 3Nov 02, 2010 9:51 am There is a lack of infrastructure in new housing estates. 10 mins down the road from me in some newish suburbs, I know there is a crappy local deli but you have to drive to the major shopping centre because it's on the other side of the freeway. I guess you could go over the traffic bridge but I am not completely sure if there is a footpath. Govts and developers also forget to bring employment to the local area instead of continually putting most of the employment in city centres. The jobs that may be found in a new development are retail but if you are a professional of some sort, you will have to travel far to get anywhere. Suburbs like this are where the vampires live - you see no-one during the day but towards dusk and into night you see people walking dogs, exercising, out in their yards... not very good for passive security during the day. Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 4Nov 02, 2010 10:26 am mor elikey the fact is that the bus companies aren't putting routes into these new estates due to the fact all the roads are so narrow.../ they have no verge/ sidewalk areas where a bus stop could even be intergrated with Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 5Nov 02, 2010 8:12 pm We have public transport where it is owned by the state so I would say it's the govt and the negative perception by the public of buses and public transport in general. Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 6Nov 02, 2010 8:45 pm Gone Ducky We have public transport where it is owned by the state so I would say it's the govt and the negative perception by the public of buses and public transport in general. You could loosely describe what we have in Perth as public transport. In reality, it is rubbish compared to the rest of Australia - made worse by the fact that the rest of australia are in turn complaining about how bad their public transport is. Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 7Nov 03, 2010 6:45 am I don't know if our area is the exception, but parks and open spaces are constructed at the same time as the house lots - the local council makes the developers do all of that. Street lights go in before construction on the first house begins. We have playgrounds, bbqs, picnic areas, walking/bike tracks etc and the schools are popping up like mushrooms. New bus services went in over a year ago, and I can walk to some local shops if I fancy a 5km hike. Oh- there is a shop within 1km, where we buy our meat and fruit and veg and can get essentials like milk and bread if we need them. Other estates nearby have shops though, for those who want them, and that wasn't a factor for us in choosing our estate. We prefer quiet and less traffic, so no schools or shops was a plus for us. Yes it takes time to get decent transport, adequate roads and shopping centres in new areas, but that's always been the way. This is my second time in a new subdivision, and it took a few years for the old area to become established. Even where I grew up (Montmorency - which was the limits of the outer suburbs back then) took a while to accumulate facilities. We had a railway station, but not a single bus service. The high school only opened a couple of years before I started there. The roads were unmade till I was about 7-8. There was no gas or sewer until I was about 10 - at least those services go in when new estates are developed now. I love these smug reporters who go "slumming" in the outer suburbs and then write nasty, negative articles about how awful it is. Some of us love it here. My only complaint is that transport still needs improving, but we knew that before we bought here and it was a trade-off we were prepared to make for a bigger and better home in a nice area. Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 8Nov 03, 2010 8:45 am Indeed an interesting if slightly one sided article. * I would agree with the article. But as mentioned previously , it takes time to build and service new estates. It just doesn't happen overnight. And agreed, being in one of the newer type estates.. I do love where I live. Ideally..I would've preferred to move right next to the city, but it's an interesting tradeoff. inner city burbs.. vs suburbia living. . but that's a whole lot of debate. Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 9Nov 03, 2010 8:54 am Evidence that a reporter can turn anything into a story And that people will complain no matter how much they have. Metricon Riva 33 - http://herlihy-riva.blogspot.com Site start 15/03/2010 - Handover 23/12/2010 9 months and 8 days (284 calendar days) from site start to handover Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 10Nov 03, 2010 9:01 am btherl Evidence that a reporter can turn anything into a story And that people will complain no matter how much they have. Lol..true true.. roof over the head. And im guessing in a lot of the estates, predominantly first home owners, you buy what you can afford. Sometimes, you don't have the luxury to choose. Such as myself.. lol Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 11Nov 03, 2010 1:26 pm We are in the outer suburbs, although not in a flash, fancy, brand name estate. We chose to build here because 1. It was close to family. 2. It was a reasonable distance to work. 3. The land price was great value for money. Sure there are plenty of negatives, but if there were a place where it checked every box then everyone would want to live there and then you would be in the same situation - lack of services. Where we are is within walking distance to both shops and transport, but I don't know who would walk to do their weekly/fortnightly shop (especially if you are feeding a family), and my hubby catches a bus to the station in the morning which is far from crowded... seems most prefer to drive to the station where they leave their car exposed to the elements and crims all day despite their travel ticket covering them for the bus trip at no extra cost (all of which seems ludicrous to me). The one limitation is that the bus only runs every hour, but with the patronage so low why would they run it more frequently? As for the train - being one of the furthest stations you can normally get a seat in the mornings for the less than 30 min journey to the CBD. Yes it gets crowded, but I don't see why they couldn't run the trains with more frequency (say every 10 mins) during peak times to encourage more people to use public transport, and make it a more pleasurable experience for commuters. As for activities - do people expect these to be located next to their house? In our council district alone we have multiple state tourist attractions, a VFL footy oval, many sporting facilities, bowling ally, cinema, indoor and outdoor pools, etc. No they are not in my "estate" but they are certainly accessible and most are either free or minimal cost to access. Even the writer contradicts herself - one minute there is no shops which is an issue, and the next there is a tavern going up next to someone's house and it's the worst thing ever. You can't have it both ways - these facilities have to go somewhere... either live without them or don't complain when they pop up next door. It seems that no matter what, people will be unhappy with what they have. As for me, I love where we live Second Time 'Round Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 12Nov 03, 2010 1:33 pm Oh, and as a side point, the Mooroolkyle (?) estate that is mentioned in the article has frontage onto Sayers Rd, which is going to be a major arterial road in the next year or so, so I very much doubt that there will be no transport available to them, and they are less than 5 minutes from a large shopping centre (grocery) and not much further to Werribee Plaza which is supposed to become like Chadstone shopping centre. She's obviously not a local. Second Time 'Round Re: Article - Housing Estates not Paradise? 13Nov 04, 2010 8:03 am I think all estates/suburbs have growing pains and the success or otherwise of a new development really needs to be assessed after 10 years or so. Fact is, these places are cheap because they do not have the infratructure or amenties from day 1. If they were close to a rail line, had a cafe culture, metres from beaches and 10 minutes from the CBD etc you would be paying 6 times as much for the land. I think most people who buy in new estates know to take the slightly longer view than the right here and now. The setback from the kerb is 4m. It is council land to provide an area for services like sewer main, gas mains, water mains, underground power or poles for overhead power,… 4 2395 Hi All, see above image. The required setback from the rear boundary in my case is 5m, as you can see the shape of the site and location of the boundary is slightly… 0 8452 CDC Housing Code 3 When to apply Floor Area external face of wall vs Gross Floor Area internal face of wall. Reading thru CDC Housing Code 3, lets take a lot 915sqm.… 0 16562 |