Nov 02, 2005 4:20 pm
We were told that a steel frame home is extremely noisey. Does anyone have any experiance with this. We were informed that due to contaction and expansion the steel creecks and it becomes very noisey.
We were also told by another builder that do to the conices on a steel frame home will eventually crake and need to be replaced as the movement of the steel in hot and cold conditons slowly saws the cornice off. Does anyone know if these things are true.
We have lived in two homes and both have had problems with white ants and we initailly thought a steel from home would be the way to go, but now arent so confident.
steel frames and noise2
Nov 03, 2005 2:57 pm
any framed structure moves, and framed stuctures provide ideal conditions for ants, insects and other vermins.
Concrete blocks or lightweight concrete are ideal , no cracking, even temperature pattern in your house arround the clock, good noise protection, good for diy, fireproof and no gaps for insects.
If you combine that with double glazed windows you will feel very comfortable in your new house.
Re: steel frames and noise3
Nov 03, 2005 6:27 pm
Thanks for the reply
i had been thinking about concrete as we have altered our orginal concept of what we want in a home and have moved from a traditional colonial type of house to something more alternative (at least in our area) soemthing like a pavillion style the main factor for this swing was due to having a sustainable house given that we need to comply with baxis (nsw) that got me thinking and changed my mind about the type of house.
Anyway i have read enough to know that concrete would be a good option for no doubt all the reason u have stated but also for enviormental reasons as well and thermal mass (at least i think that is what it would be good for) but anyway it is good to keep your house cool and warm depending on the season.
My problem however is that when we first started talking to people about building i toyed with the idea of rendering the house and was advised that in our extreme weather conditions. Cold winters ( 1- 2 degrees) and hot summers (average high 30's but can be 45 degress when it gets really hot) . Several builders have advised us that rendering is not suitable for our area as it is an extremely dry climate and rendering suits coastal and humid areas much better.
My understanding is that you would need to render your concrete walls is this right. I tried to look for a concrete product that had some type of process by which the concrete was already coloured/finished at the time of manufacturing as i really like the idea of concrete.
Do u have any knowledge of the appropriatness of rendering in hot dry areas.
Re: steel frames and noise4
Nov 03, 2005 7:47 pm
The dry climate is absolutly not a problem, it is more an excuse for the builders because they are not capable to do such type of building.
Millions of houses in Europe are rendered from the dry regions in the south to the cold regions in the north.
Some buildings are hundreds of years old and the temperature extremes are far more severe than Australia. Winter -15°C Summer +35-+40.
There are rendered building in the driest regions in the world in America, Africa and Middle East
Maybe you can find a builder with a European background or a company like CSR Hebel
to go through the building process.
Don't let them put you of the idea because rendering has been around for thousands of years and you will have substancial home instead of a "decorated" shed.
Don't forget to use quality double glazed windows.
With the right plan and materials you will be able to create all year comfort without significant heating and without airconditioning
Re: steel frames and noise5
Nov 09, 2005 3:06 pm
Just thought i'd let you know I have built and am living in a Bell River steel frame home for 2 years and haven't had any noises yet!
My parents also built a steel frame Paal Home and have unfortunately had some noises.
I had a builder do my house were as my father owner built and did some of the frame himself he is a qualified fitterand machnist, so he has got alot of experience working with steel. He is not sure if he may have made a mastake or if it is just the frame. You see the Paal kit homes are tek screwed together, he believe the Bell River is a better Frame because they are rivetted.
Anyway I am quite happy with our home and recommend steel frames to anyone who doesn't want a white ant problem.
Re: steel frames and noise6
Nov 09, 2005 7:29 pm
I would be interested to know whether both homes (or either) had steel roofing with insulation batts directly to the underside of the iron
Most iron roofed homes will have expansion & contraction noises.
Homes with steel roof battens & steel wall framing appear to carry the noise down where it is more obvious but homes with insulation directly under the iron (rather than insul. batts at ceiling level) appear to be 'quieter' ??
Peter Clarkson - AusDesign Australia
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