Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Oct 16, 2005 7:01 pm We are moving to far north queensland in the new year, and are at present looking at purchasing and building our own kit home. We have narrowed it down to Valley Kit Homes, Affordable Steel Kit Homes and Nu-steel Homes. We would really appreciate any information on any of the above companies - either good or bad - thanx Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 2Oct 30, 2005 7:53 pm We are just finishing a house with Nu-Steel (we * and got a builder to do the hard work for us) at Cedar Creek, past Samford. (near Brisbane).
Haven't had any major problems, and the couple of small things that cropped up were dealt with easily and efficiently. I've never heard of Affordable and (gossip only) I've heard the odd bad tale about Valley. HIH! Looking for information on kit home companies 3Oct 31, 2005 7:50 pm Hi,
the best for nothern Queensland is lightweight concrete, easy for DIY. Keeps you nice and cool and it is fireproof!!!! Forget this framed rubbish,or do you enjoy Sauna in Summer ![]() ![]() Concrete House 4Nov 08, 2005 10:39 am Hi Windowexpert,
What style of design(s) would you be recomend for a concrete house in a tropical climate? I am doing some research on good use of thermal mass and natural air flow for energy efficient housing, and am always interested in what ideas are out there. We are in QLD and a lot of the housing here is quite poorly designed in terms of energy efficiency. Cheers, Earl Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 5Nov 08, 2005 11:43 am Hi Earl
Design for tropical climate? Concrete floor, thick and solid walls, stone or lighweight concrete. Double glazed turn/tilt windows to keep the heat out and superior security at the same time. Large overhanging roof to keep midday sun out. Italian style shutters provide shade and ventilation. We do have simular problems with building design in New Zealand. But it is a common problem in the States, Australia, New Zealand because the designers and builders think they know everything about building and they don't need listen to those who have been building houses for many centuries with regards windowexpert ![]() Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 6Nov 08, 2005 11:52 am I have built Kitome Kits for a few years and they are located on the gold coast and can supply aust wide. I have only dealt with NSW and find them good to deal with, but they are all owned by the same person Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 7Nov 08, 2005 12:06 pm Firstly my apologies to "off to fnq" for hijacking your thread...
Short eaves are a very common and obvious problem around here. Houses spend all day in the sun warming up - keeping them nice and warm through the night as well! Perhaps I should have asked my question in a bit more detail: Re styles of design I was thinking more of some specific examples where the concrete has been particulalry well utilised as thermal mass i.e. incorporated with deeper footings to access underground thermal qualities or used in a seasonal sun/ shade combination to provide ambient temperatures. How about suspended slabs and their response to temperature changes? Similar with air flow; I believe it should be possible to utilize thermal mass to regulate temperature of air flowing naturally through a building, further negating power assited climate control. I have been researching this topic for a while and am curious as to what sort of innovations/ clever designs have been implemented and how popular/marketable these processes can be. Have fun all, Earl Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 8Nov 09, 2005 3:05 pm And my apologies also to 'off to fnq' but i would be interested 'strumer' in your obvious delving into 'thermal mass and regulating of air flow' and its incorporation in current building methods. Possibly the first question - is it cost effective against turning on the air conditioner switch ? Peter Clarkson - AusDesign Australia www.ausdesign.com.au This information is intended to provide general information only. It does not purport to be a comprehensive advice. Cross Threaded 9Nov 09, 2005 3:51 pm Hello Peter,
A BIG question. My personal belief is that we are not paying the TRUE cost of many forms of power supply, along with many other resources. With that mindset I will say that anything which stops someone turning on the air conditioning switch is cost effective. Of course dropping a couple of hundred cubic meters of concrete along the middle of an exisitng house is not comparable to getting a decent climate control system, either in efficacy or economy. Designing to obviate power assistance in climate control is my focus. As with many other changes in design and manufacture current building methods may not be optimised towards thermally efficient housing, but I don't think that is a real problem. Retrofitting exisitng structures is more of a challenge, but should not stop us from exploring all avenues regarding conservation of energy/ resources. Just one example of some current ideas: a contact of mine was part of the engineering team which installed the system described in the link below. http://www.mech.uwa.edu.au/AIGO/ They have used the ambient lower underground temperature to provide a cooling phase for the University Facility described. The system still consumes energy, but more of this is for air circulation than air cooling. So if we imagine putting house footings in 1000mm deeper than normal these footings adopt the ambient temperature which, depending on depth and geography, can easily be (lets say) 18 degrees celcius. The footings conduct the temperature to the slab of the house which eventually reaches an ambient temperature the same as that of the footings. Barring external influence on the slab (sunshine/water/snow/wind et cetera) it will soon establish an equillibrium with the spaces it touches. Once your room is at (say) 18 degrees it then requires much less energy to adjust the local temperature a few degrees plus or minus, according to personal comfort needs, than it would lowering the temperature from 30 degrees plus, or raising it from 5 degrees or less. This is just a simple example and not intended to explain the obvious to anyone; but it does illustrate how easily some changes can be made. I believe that it should not be expensive or difficult to build a house that is energy efficient and effective in the environment in which it is situated. It is too easy to accept substandard and antiquitated design by installing even more substandard and antiquitated heating and coolng solutions. A bit more than two cents worth... Respect all, Earl Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 10Nov 09, 2005 5:00 pm Just a quick reply while i digest your post
the stumbling block i encounter is, on your example the cost of an extra 1000mm of concrete to a perimeter beam on say an 18 square home would be in the vicinity of $8 to $9 thousand dollars ( i know this example was hypothetical) but many - most - people building are looking at the short term & $8000 buys a lot of drapes. ! - If i'm building for a short term return, drapes are good. 50 meters of extra concrete needs justification. Peter Clarkson - AusDesign Australia www.ausdesign.com.au This information is intended to provide general information only. It does not purport to be a comprehensive advice. Thermal mass 11Dec 27, 2005 12:14 am I live in Darwin and have lived in mostly concrete houses. I currently live in a semi-elevated, steel framed house. The house has 3m wide verandahs front and back and 5m at the sides. This house is at least 7-10 degrees cooler than a concrete home. In fact a couple of days last dry season the house was 7 degrees. I know this is bad for other parts of Australia as the aim is to keep the house at an all year round comfortable temperature, but its a bearable payoff for cool wet seasons. We rarely turn the airconditioner on. The house has huge banks of louvres and excellent cross ventilation. I haven't lived in a cool concrete house yet - they must be all built wrong. Concrete Houses 12Dec 28, 2005 7:07 pm Without knowing anything about the design of the concrete homes you lived in it is a bit difficult to make comparisons, but by no means am I suggesting that simply because a building is made of concrete that it will be thermally efficient.
I too have lived in concrete structures that were difficult to keep hot or cool. These houses were badly designed and badly built (especially that prefab monocrete bungalow in Canberra...). Concrete is particularly useful as a building material not only because it is strong, flexible, relatively cheap and easy to use but also because it has very useful thermal properties. If a large mass of concrete gets hot it stays hot for a long time - if it gets cold it stays cold for a long time. So if the concrete houses you lived in in Darwin shared some of the seemingly well applied principles of your steel home, i.e. Shade the walls from direct sunlight in hot times of year, provide a flexible/ adjustable series of air flow opportunities (don't forget about openable skylights to let out rising heat!) they too could have been cool and comfortable with little need to use additional cooling. Trying to artificially cool a thermally poor house is wasted energy. It can be like trying to cool down an oven with a bowl of ice cubes. I have personal experience with a short eaved weatherboard bungalow in Brisbane. In summer the house receives direct sunlight to the roof and walls from sunrise (04.30) to sunset (18.00). In the evenings one can still feel the heat radiating from the internal walls. Cooling this house down with an air conditioner would consume an enormous amount of energy. The power problems we are having in SEQ are not coincidental to the climate here. It is far easier to spend less on building a house with thermal efficiency in mind and install artificial climate control to compensate. You note that the drier periods can get cold. This could be because the house you are in was designed primarily with keeping cool in mind. As stated, it can be worth a short period of less comfortable climate for greater enjoyment of the dominant climate. An alternative is to increase the capital outlay during construction through incorporating effectively wider reaching sytems - this can be more difficult to financially justify when balancing short term/long term needs, costs and returns - but the trade offs can be longer term stability, affordability and sustainability; which really does affect us all - especially those of you with children. Respect, all, Earl Re: Looking for information on kit home companies 13Feb 13, 2006 11:51 pm Couldn't help responding to the thread title by offering some advice on a web page at http://www.spin.net.au/~shamsh
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