Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Jul 23, 2009 4:48 pm Hi All, Just a quick question - I've had a search through the forums and couldn't find specific info on this so apologies if this is a dumb question! We have just asked a builder/draftsman to draw up some plans for a renovation/extension on our house. We're adding a couple of bedrooms, a 2nd living area, and an ensuite. We've been quoted just under $6k which includes plans for the existing site, liaising with council to ensure plans are compliant, and then a quote (time/cost) for the work. Is this about right? thx Re: Draftsmanship work 2Jul 23, 2009 9:28 pm We're paying that for our entire house - 35ish squares or something, and basically just what your getting too Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Draftsmanship work 4Jul 24, 2009 11:32 am Thanks for the feedback. I just want to make sure we're not getting ripped off! The quote does include 2/3 revisions, elevations, specs for finishes, and a qualified cost for going ahead with building the plans Re: Draftsmanship work 5Jul 24, 2009 12:20 pm For our plans of a whole house it cost us $1350 which included everything needed to apply for permits (except energy rating) and the builder can also build off them. Now we are in the process of getting a energy rating report done which is costing $165. So all in total it costs us $1515. But I'm not sure if a extention involves more or somethings different. When we were getting quotes from draftsmen, we had some say that it would cost as high as $8000 pftt i don't think so! So I would recommend hunting around and see what other draftsmen say. Re: Draftsmanship work 6Jul 24, 2009 1:56 pm Unless this renovation is extremely complicated and requires major documentation to explain the intent, I reckon its pretty expensive. The other thing is, if he's a builder/draftsman..who owns the drawings when their done? Surely your going to tender your reno to a number of builders to get a competitive price?, will he release the drawings to you to do this?? Just a thought, Pat. Re: Draftsmanship work 8Jul 24, 2009 5:09 pm Minx I would imagine that price would include engineers drawings, 5 star energy, plans and permits. Mine doesnt include 5 star or engineering Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Draftsmanship work 9Jul 24, 2009 9:32 pm Bam Minx I would imagine that price would include engineers drawings, 5 star energy, plans and permits. Mine doesnt include 5 star or engineering /quote] Wow. 5 star is cheap but engineers def are not! Did you get them done by a draftsman or an architect? Re: Draftsmanship work 10Jul 24, 2009 10:14 pm He is a building designer/interior designer/project planner.... He designed all the houses in the old coburg jail Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Draftsmanship work 12Jul 26, 2009 4:29 pm ^ Me? We're building on stumps. And our alfresco is square two sets of bifold doors without a support between them, so Im assuming we will need a beam of some sort, which is why we need engineering? I dont know, cant say ive looked in to it yet... Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Draftsmanship work 13Jul 26, 2009 6:34 pm Focus06 What do you need a structual engineer for? Are you building on a slab? A structual engineer is required for all new builds. Who does the bracing plan for the structure? Drafty doesn't do this. Without a engineers report no builder can build a house. What about lintels that have opening that bear girder trusses? Who guarantees the structual integrity of your house? Not the draftsman! Re: Draftsmanship work 14Jul 27, 2009 3:36 pm Minx Focus06 What do you need a structual engineer for? Are you building on a slab? A structual engineer is required for all new builds. Who does the bracing plan for the structure? Drafty doesn't do this. Without a engineers report no builder can build a house. What about lintels that have opening that bear girder trusses? Who guarantees the structual integrity of your house? Not the draftsman! Well said Minx, I for one will not gaurentee or even acknowledge anything structural on a build....'to structural engineers drawings and specifications' everytime. Be wary of builders and drafties...or anyone else for that matter, who say you dont need an engineer. Please be aware people...a reno or new build is a huge financial and emotional undertaking...dont skimp on the basics (and structural engineering is a 'very necessary' basic). The initial outlay is minimal in comparison to the price of the build...the cost far outweighs the possible rectification cost needed if your build starts to sink/fall apart/fall down etc etc. Just a thought, Pat. Re: Draftsmanship work 15Jul 30, 2009 2:35 pm Hi there, It depends what it includes really. If he is going to draw up the existing and proposed plans and elevations then also submit them to Council for the DA then its not bad. However if you are doing a full DA you will also need the CC submitted to Council or Private Certifier. Also depending on the detail in the drawings its hard to get an accurate quote which could leave you open to lots of variations from the builder. Good luck though. Block of two storey townhouses requires painting on the roof. 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