Is this really the case does anyone know?
It does have warnings on the label about not inhaling etc..
I would never be without a can of WD40!
Give up now Ed…it’s not worth it.
Wait till Ash gets back in…………………..
Browse Forums General Discussion Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 21Jun 27, 2009 4:25 pm Dragonfly I'm not sure if it comes under the chemical banner.. but I was given a long article to read about all the wonderful things you could do with WD-40 around the house the other day because it's a basically safe product- being made out of fish oil or something.. Is this really the case does anyone know? It does have warnings on the label about not inhaling etc.. I would never be without a can of WD40! Give up now Ed…it’s not worth it. Wait till Ash gets back in………………….. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 22Jun 27, 2009 4:27 pm I won't get in to the merits or otherwise of the preceding debate, but I have to ask... ed @ EcoClassic I knew it could be dangerous but I too had never thought fatal... I Googled it after one of our guys bought it... then we didn't use it at all... Ed ...how was he just allowed to go out and buy it? Don't you have any system in place that controls what gets brought on to site? Geoff - Decophile. Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 23Jun 27, 2009 6:00 pm Oh btw the best thing to use to get rust off metal by soaking it is Oxalic Acid - you will find it in the paint aisle of bunnings and yes, please follow the caution directions! Check out this, I forgot before photo's though http://blog.imagesbylisa.com.au/2008/07 ... ished.html 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 24Jun 27, 2009 6:28 pm Eager I won't get in to the merits or otherwise of the preceding debate, but I have to ask... ed @ EcoClassic I knew it could be dangerous but I too had never thought fatal... I Googled it after one of our guys bought it... then we didn't use it at all... Ed ...how was he just allowed to go out and buy it? Don't you have any system in place that controls what gets brought on to site? You're right Eager. But we are small and don't have enough systems. This was recommended by a commercial cleaning company... so he went and bought it without first checking the material safety data sheet. I checked before he used it... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 25Jun 27, 2009 6:58 pm lisanne Oh btw the best thing to use to get rust off metal by soaking it is Oxalic Acid - you will find it in the paint aisle of bunnings and yes, please follow the caution directions! Check out this, I forgot before photo's though http://blog.imagesbylisa.com.au/2008/07 ... ished.html Nice bike... "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 26Jun 27, 2009 7:02 pm ed @ EcoClassic lisanne Oh btw the best thing to use to get rust off metal by soaking it is Oxalic Acid - you will find it in the paint aisle of bunnings and yes, please follow the caution directions! Check out this, I forgot before photo's though http://blog.imagesbylisa.com.au/2008/07 ... ished.html Nice bike... Ta, one of many A bit of TLC and it came up great! 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 27Jun 27, 2009 7:52 pm Eager ...how was he just allowed to go out and buy it? Don't you have any system in place that controls what gets brought on to site? it's unlikely he was, according to this website: http://www.assda.asn.au/index.php?optio ... Itemid=112 Products containing HF in concentrations greater than one percent (1%) now attract a National Drugs and Poisons Schedule 7 listing. In many states this has implications for licence and permit requirements. Further information on the background to rescheduling of HF from a Schedule 6 to a Schedule 7 poison, can be found at the National Drugs and Poisons Schedules Committee website. the story ed quoted says "On November 12, a 37 year old man died in the Intensive Care Unit of Fremantle Hospital after who accidentally splashed about 100 ml of a 70% solution on his right leg on October 28. " so ed is comparing the dangers of a product that was at least 70x the strength so as dramatic as it sounds it's completely out of perspective Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 28Jun 27, 2009 8:47 pm piscean Eager ...how was he just allowed to go out and buy it? Don't you have any system in place that controls what gets brought on to site? it's unlikely he was, according to this website: http://www.assda.asn.au/index.php?optio ... Itemid=112 Products containing HF in concentrations greater than one percent (1%) now attract a National Drugs and Poisons Schedule 7 listing. In many states this has implications for licence and permit requirements. Further information on the background to rescheduling of HF from a Schedule 6 to a Schedule 7 poison, can be found at the National Drugs and Poisons Schedules Committee website. the story ed quoted says "On November 12, a 37 year old man died in the Intensive Care Unit of Fremantle Hospital after who accidentally splashed about 100 ml of a 70% solution on his right leg on October 28. " so ed is comparing the dangers of a product that was at least 70x the strength so as dramatic as it sounds it's completely out of perspective Sudden knowledge is a wonderful thing... so not HCL - right "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 29Jun 27, 2009 9:00 pm ed @ EcoClassic piscean Eager F in concentrations greater than one percent (1%) now attract a National Drugs and Poisons Schedule 7 listing. In many states this has implications for licence and permit requirements. Further information on the background to rescheduling of HF from a Schedule 6 to a Schedule 7 poison, can be found at the National Drugs and Poisons Schedules Committee website. the story ed quoted says "On November 12, a 37 year old man died in the Intensive Care Unit of Fremantle Hospital after who accidentally splashed about 100 ml of a 70% solution on his right leg on October 28. " so ed is comparing the dangers of a product that was at least 70x the strength so as dramatic as it sounds it's completely out of perspective Sudden knowledge is a wonderful thing... so not HCL - right no it was the other acid starting with H ending with ic and used for removing rust stains, you see the problem with ambiguity? it's not helpful is it neither is omitting or distorting facts, not useful to any discussion which is the point Im trying to make, makes for a great story though Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 30Jun 27, 2009 9:13 pm piscean no it was the other acid starting with H ending with ic and used for removing rust stains, you see the problem with ambiguity? it's not helpful is it neither is omitting or distorting facts, not useful to any discussion which is the point Im trying to make, makes for a great story though Come on... admit it. I didn't lie, as you asserted, nor did I distort the facts - you just jumped to conclusions. But you were wrong. All of a sudden you "know" the other acid ending in "ic". I was trying to be helpful about instructions not have a spat about chemicals... Meanwhile in contradiction of your diluting my point about the dangers of hydrofluoric acid - here is something from the RFDS... Quote: 13.2 HYDROFLUORIC ACID BURNS Theory 1. Hydrofluoric acid (HF) is a strong inorganic acid often used to clean metal and in glass etching. 2. On contact with skin HF is absorbed systemically where it rapidly binds with calcium to form an insoluble precipitate. It lowers the plasma calcium level and can cause demineralisation of bone. It causes deep necrotic burns to skin and soft tissues. 3. Fatalities from systemic poisoning have occurred with as little as 2.5% body surface area exposure. Death is due to myocardial depression and arrhythmias secondary to intractable hypocalcaemia. And that information is about the same stuff at the same concentrations used industrially (same as you can buy over the counter)... so don't put it on your cornflakes Piscean... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 31Jun 27, 2009 10:01 pm ed @ EcoClassic Come on... admit it. I didn't lie, as you asserted, nor did I distort the facts - you just jumped to conclusions. But you were wrong. All of a sudden you "know" the other acid ending in "ic". It's like talking to a 10 year old... Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 33Jun 27, 2009 11:45 pm You got there first jido I do have say to calm down a little and maybe go have a nice cup of tea. Now to the topic once again. Garden chemicals. I really am truly amazed at how flippant many people are with their use and storage!!! No one ever reads the labels. They never wear PPE when using them. I dare you to go to the garden shed, write down the active constituents of some garden herbicides and insecticides and google them!! You won't be so flippant anymore. One that is common is very close to being a human nerve agent bar one carbon atom. Another popular one causes blindness. Many ant killers are carcinogenic but folks buy them and throw them around the garden breathing it in and letting the littlies crawl around. Most people who work in garden centres have little or no education as to what is in herbicides or insectides, how to safely use them and what they actually do to us. It really amazes me at how much trust we put in household and garden chemicals because they are allowed to be sold, so why bother reading a label, they must be safe...wrong Reading a label couldn't be more important! Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 34Jun 28, 2009 12:25 am Very good post by royalblue. It worries me that some people seem to think that if it's for sale it MUST be safe. Detailed information IS available so that you can find out how safe a product is, whether it is applicable to the task, what precautions if any you need to take, etc, and then make an informed decision after weighing up the risks and benefits. It also worries me that some people think if a little bit will work then a lot will work better or faster. Dragonfly I'm not sure if it comes under the chemical banner.. but I was given a long article to read about all the wonderful things you could do with WD-40 around the house the other day because it's a basically safe product- being made out of fish oil or something.. Is this really the case does anyone know? It does have warnings on the label about not inhaling etc.. From the Material Safety Data Sheet on the manufacturer's website http://www.wd40.com/ Section 3 - COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS NAME_________________________________________CAS RN_______________ % white spirit____________________________________8052-41-3.__________45-50 paraffinic distillate, heavy, solvent- dewaxed (severe)______________64742-65-0._________15-25^ isoparaffins petroleum hydrotreated HFP_______64742-47-8._________12-18^ carbon dioxide________________________________124-38-9.____________2-3^ I'm not saying it's a bad product, just make sure it's the product you need for the task and no, don't inhale it! My dad once cleared the room because of the smell while fixing a sticky sliding door. When I learned that he was spraying it regularly I insisted he get the door checked and it turned out he needed new ball bearings. No more spraying needed after that. MSDS's also provide info on toxicity, precautions to take, possible side-effects, whether it's flammable, special storage requirements, what to do in case of a spill, etc. A useful document to have, and many are now available online. Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 35Jun 28, 2009 10:27 am I think it's best to treat every chemical with respect... Once Dieldrin & DDT were respected as "safe" chemicals. The land around my home in Emerald is contaminated by using Diedrin. There are no foods to be grown here. We used to have carbon tetrachloride as a dry cleaning chemical, it's carcinogenic and we know it turns to Phosgene gas when heated, that's the mustard gas of WWI. Then there was asbestos, they sold one version as "screw fix" which you poured into your hand added water and pushed into a screw hole to act as a wall plug. And there was Trichloroethylene the degreaser used in most factories until 20 years ago - carcinogenic and Ozone detroyer. Even labels are not enough, we need take precautions. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 36Jun 28, 2009 6:51 pm Hi all! I've been away for a few days, and look what you've been up to! Reading through, I think there are a lot of posts with good intentions, and a little confusion, but you've sorted that. Macy hit the nail on the head.... because it's for sale doesn't necessarily mean its safe. I don't know a lot about acids, but do about those I use. As a professional, I am duty-bound by law to have to have an MSDS for each product and use it safely, and with PPE if required. Yes HYDROFLUORIC ACID is highly dangerous. It eats into your skin until it dissolves your bones! A chemical to avoid for sure, even in relatively weak dilutions. It is very hard to get these days for this reason. I do use PHOSPHORIC acid for etching grout sometimes, which is much safer, being a food grade acid (its in Cocacola). But if used incorrectly it can damage the surface, so even products that are fairly safe FOR US can be a problem on certain surfaces. Examples; Acids are generally to be avoided on stone, cement based products and grout, unless you know what you are doing. Strong alkali's are generally safe on stone products. But alkalis are potentially damaging to most carpets, and cause colour loss or other damage. For this reason, the Woolsafe Organisation test and certify products to be safe on wool carpets. Its the only way consumers can KNOW any spotter is safe, and I can assure you... many carpet spotters sold are NOT safe. Ash. Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 37Jun 29, 2009 12:04 am ed @ EcoClassic But we are small and don't have enough systems. Hopefully you'll be able to say the same with a straight face to WorkSafe if they ever visit... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 38Jun 29, 2009 9:57 am to_do_list ed @ EcoClassic But we are small and don't have enough systems. Hopefully you'll be able to say the same with a straight face to WorkSafe if they ever visit... We have all the necessary Mike... just not for items purchased over the counter... I would doubt many companies have material safety data sheets for everything like the stuff the cleaner uses in the toilet... or liquid paper... or Clag... This one was caught in time. Hopefully we can catch all of these before they become a problem. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 39Jun 29, 2009 2:33 pm Just a note on protection. If you are going to use what ever chemical it is. Please follow the personal protective equipment recommended. Is it says face mask or respirator your $2.00 shop white paper mask may not be safe. Venerate the area well, don’t do too much at a time as you get tired or sick off it you get lazy and start to take short cuts i.e. not cleaning up spills, not using goggles. In fact if it’s a bit dangerous leave it to the professions. I did my own white ant treatment, was very, very careful but after 8 hours of it got a bit tired and could see the potential for dangers. I guess we at times forget how dangerous some things can be. Take care KW……………. “It's just as unpleasant to get more than you bargain for as to get less” George Bernard Shaw. Re: CHEMICAL USE-READ THE LABEL 40Jun 29, 2009 10:01 pm Fu Manchu Most people who work in garden centres have little or no education as to what is in herbicides or insectides, how to safely use them and what they actually do to us. And it's not like their superiors feel any responsibility to train them either. Geoff - Decophile. We built in 2013 and painted internally with the Taubmans colour 'Stonebridge - New Housing'. We recently decided to repaint with the same colour - half way through the… 0 248 That sucks! Hope it all works out. Good to move away from steel anyway for all your reasons, but it's also thermally poor. 16 13728 If what you describe is correct then the brick wall has been dry lined with villa board. That basically means that the villa board is glued to the brick wall with… 3 6096 |