Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Mar 27, 2009 10:12 pm Hi there, is there any other source than ebay if I don't want to use the classic small button switches http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2-Gang-Big-Butto ... -(16A-250V)_W0QQitemZ390037725357QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090316?IMSfp=TL0903161210001r13673 and these things http://au.farnell.com/wago/273-101/conn ... dp/1283516 only at farnell? found these one at an electrics wholesaler, http://au.farnell.com/wago/222-413/term ... tid=232468 had to explain him how they work... Morbo. Re: Different light switches 3Mar 28, 2009 9:06 am Wow, we have reached the day when someone isn't aware of shops and only thinks of ebay 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: Different light switches 4Mar 30, 2009 11:54 am The ebay link didn't work for me. Clipsal and HPM along with a whole host of other manufacturers can offer different light switches. But it you will be the odd one out and it may be hard to find replacements in the future. The standard ranges from clipsal and HPM are the easiest for for sparky's to replace and they carry them in their vans. No additional labour involved on tracking down parts. And why are you looking at the Farnell terminators? I did an ebay search and saw the 2 gang big button switches. Be very wary of cheap chinese crap switches. If they fail, will they set fire to your house? I have seen a cheap chinese switch used in my Dad's townhouse fail and melt, short out and blow the main circuit breaker. Licenced Sparky and Data Cabler If "The Data Guys" is too long to type, TDG will do. Re: Different light switches 5Mar 30, 2009 10:16 pm thanks for the answers! ebay: well, went to a few wholesalers and to bunnings, just the ideal standard switches and they were quite surprised that someone wants something else as for farnell junction box connectors: screw terminals was yester century. Just a nightmare to connect 4 or 5 wires in a screw terminal. Plus, what if its to too loose or to tight? Does HPM have switches with these plug in terminals instead of screw ones? Re: Different light switches 6Mar 31, 2009 7:06 am Morbo thanks for the answers! ebay: well, went to a few wholesalers and to bunnings, just the ideal standard switches and they were quite surprised that someone wants something else as for farnell junction box connectors: screw terminals was yester century. Just a nightmare to connect 4 or 5 wires in a screw terminal. Plus, what if its to too loose or to tight? Does HPM have switches with these plug in terminals instead of screw ones? I take it your not a sparky and I hope you realise that any electrical work must be performed by a qualified electrical contractor. Electricity is not something you should dabble in or take lightly. I was called out to a guys house to find a problem with nuisance safety switch tripping. Most electrical appliances worked fine but his iron seemed to trip the RCD everytime. Normally the sparky would assume a faulty iron, but after casually chatting with the guy, he had me thinking he may have done some of his own electrical works. I also saw a power point sitting on his work bench in the garage. He had actually decided to change his own power points and got it wrong. So he might have saved a few bucks buying his own power points but it cost his a whole heap more in the labour cost to find all the replaced power points and to repair the mistakes. Licenced Sparky and Data Cabler If "The Data Guys" is too long to type, TDG will do. Re: Different light switches 7Mar 31, 2009 10:57 am no, not an electrician, but had a look what some professionals did, rather scary. And the insulation guy whacks the batts on top of that. Also it seems to be a secret, at least in domestic applications, that you can have 2 switches for 1 lamp, instead the light switch has to sit in the furthest corner of the room, so you have to walk in and out in the dark.... Just google wago 273 connector. Proven technology since a while, even in, say, Czech Republic. Coming from overseas I was surprised that the sparky in the ad still uses a screw driver.... But I agree you should not DIY, the law is right, most people cannot even use a multimeter and think they can mess around with 240V. I would not encourage anyone to do it. And if I was not 100% sure what I was doing I would not. Overheared a rather scary phone conversation the other day, seems the one at the other end believed 1 wire would have been enough. If I was the one trying to guide him I would have told him not to do anything at all. Re: Different light switches 8Mar 31, 2009 12:52 pm Morbo Just google wago 273 connector. Proven technology since a while, Try looping more than 1 join through those....at 4mm max. Fine for straight joins etc Out here we terminate most joins in a junction box to keep the termination safer. As for the switches, Cipsal do a range called Prestige HPM a range called Cmo PDL do a range called Modena Electrical Wholesaler Re: Different light switches 9Mar 31, 2009 1:40 pm thank you, found the como range yesterday, will have a look at the others today.
As for the story with the cheap chinese switches: maybe it was overloaded? If it is rated 10A, hangs on a 16 fuse, who is going to give first? The story with the guy putting 35 downlights @35W in his ceiling because they run on 12V and hence energy saving indicates that people don't get the concept of power. But 35x35W is 1225W, with a Trafo with 80% efficiency its 1530W. Enough to run 95 energy efficient lamps at 16W, enough for 4-5 houses.... seems clipsal does both, Modena and Prestige? And looks like PDL's Modena? Am confused. But then again, at the end it is just one company I suppose and the labor intense things are done in this country with 1.6 billion inhabitants anyway. So now, where to get them, in Melbourne, online? Re: Different light switches 10Mar 31, 2009 2:07 pm Morbo thank you, found the como range yesterday, will have a look at the others today. As for the story with the cheap chinese switches: maybe it was overloaded? If it is rated 10A, hangs on a 16 fuse, who is going to give first? The fuse or circut breaker's one and only job is to protect the cable, and the cable alone. Morbo The story with the guy putting 35 downlights @35W in his ceiling because they run on 12V and hence energy saving indicates that people don't get the concept of power. But 35x35W is 1225W, with a Trafo with 80% efficiency its 1530W. Enough to run 95 energy efficient lamps at 16W, enough for 4-5 houses.. Depends on the transformers (trafo) used Now days 99% are sold with electronic transformers which have an overhead or about 3-4w so that total would be 1365w Electrical Wholesaler Re: Different light switches 11Mar 31, 2009 2:54 pm blahblah The fuse or circut breaker's one and only job is to protect the cable, and the cable alone. Quote: Be very wary of cheap chinese crap switches. If they fail, will they set fire to your house? I have seen a cheap chinese switch used in my Dad's townhouse fail and melt, short out and blow the main circuit breaker. precisely. So if you draw 15A trough a 10A switch, the switch gives up, because the fuse kicks in at 16A. So, this is not the cheap switches fault, if it was undersized that is. blahblah Now days 99% are sold with electronic transformers which have an overhead or about 3-4w so that total would be 1365w Anyway, quite a lot if you could get away with 32W to illuminate the room. 12V does not mean it is efficient, 12W would.... I am planning to get shelly dimmers added to the non-smart switches that control light. It has no affect on the mechanical functioning of the switch and this is wired… 1 1422 yep you need a joint, foam is easiest, will look fine once rendered with a joint. 2 5228 Hi, have purchased a house with 2 single garage doors. The Centre pillar one side sits proud to the other. Can I change 2 doors into one. Please see picture. 0 6201 |