Re: JG King Homes21
May 06, 2008 1:46 am
Thank you for sharing your site costs information much appreciated and helpful.
Kerrie if you don't mind me asking, whether your contract I'm assuming you got a MBAV contract contain a Charge to your land?? I briefly read my contract before I gave to my lawyer. My uncle is currently in construction stage and he got a HIA contract with S which hasn't got any Charge.
Your help is much appreciated.
Re: JG King Homes22
May 06, 2008 10:05 am
Has the developer got soil tests reports? We asked our land developer whether they had any soil reports before we put the deposit on the land and the land sales consultant said no.
My developer is also VicUrban. They didn't have soil test reports when we paid our deposit, but they did provide them sometime before settlement ... however, our sales consultant did tell us (verbally) that the site would be 'M' class or better, even before we apply for the ballot.
Our contract had to be unconditional (they wouldn't even allow a finance clause, let alone a soil test clause), mainly because there was so much demand for the few blocks on offer.
Re: JG King Homes24
May 07, 2008 1:44 am
Geez I would have thought that as a state govt body that they would be flexible with the contract and would allow at least subject to finance clause on the land contract, guess it's depends on the demand for each estate.
Thanks for your kind response, it's a shame that JG's contract contains the Charge but I guess if we pay them then we got nothing to worry about.
Keep us updated on your building progress and all the best.
Re: JG King Homes25
May 07, 2008 11:23 am
Thanks Belgrave. Just as a general warning of things to look for along the way, JG have a nice little habit of billing for progress payments prior to them being due. Their invoice requests payment within 7 days, and there accounts department are on the phone pronto if they don't get their money. When you get an account you need to consult the definition section of the contract (at the front) to see what constitutes the completion of that stage. I was billed way to early for lockup (...they didn't even have the front door on, or brickwork started), but I did agree to pay earlier than needed as the plaster was complete inside. I have now been billed for 'fix completion', even though there are a number of things missing that constitue this stage.
Just something to watch out for.
Re: JG King Homes26
May 08, 2008 1:25 am
Thanks for the advice and if we end up building with JG will certainlly watch out for it. Hopefully there are no nasty suprises in the building contract.
All the best with your building progress.
Re: JG King Homes27
May 09, 2008 9:55 pm
Could I ask how many building contracts did you signed? Is there such a thing as final building contract with JG or is it just one contract only. Reason for asking is that I thought the contract I got now is just a preliminary contract which we will sign to lock in the price, because our land won't be titled til early next year. Just talked to my lawyer today and she said the contract I currently have is the final contract and there won't be anymore. Has any of you guys have or had a contract to be signed before any soil test, engineer reports etc had been done.
Our contract states the contract is subject to soil test, engineer reports etc but ask my lawyer what's the implication of this clause and she said it doesn't mean anything.
Thanks for your assistance, much appreciated.
Re: JG King Homes29
May 11, 2008 12:10 pm
Thanks for the reply.
We also have the contract with the purple front. Could you explain what you mean by 'in triplicate'? It's just weird that we are having a contract that haven't had any soil test, foundation data report done yet even when our land had pegs place on the ground. Maybe they are waiting for the developer to complete the surrounding eg. roads, utilities piping etc before they start the site assessment.
I wonder if any one in this forum had signed or about to sign a building contract before having their site assessed meaning without any soil reports, foundation data etc?
Thank you for your assistance.
Re: JG King Homes30
May 14, 2008 5:30 pm
What I meant by triplicate was I got 3 copies of the contract to sign, of which they kept one and gave me 2 copies. I think they assume you will want one for yourself and one for the bank.
Re: JG King Homes31
May 15, 2008 12:49 am
Just as a general warning of things to look for along the way, JG have a nice little habit of billing for progress payments prior to them being due. Their invoice requests payment within 7 days, and there accounts department are on the phone pronto if they don't get their money.
I built with JG King a few years ago now but my brother just completed construction with them.
I believe on a standard HIA contract this can be changed. I asked my bank manager to tell JG King that they couldn't process the claim in seven days and got them to extend to 15 working days.
I was billed way to early for lockup (...they didn't even have the front door on, or brickwork started), but I did agree to pay earlier than needed as the plaster was complete inside. I have now been billed for 'fix completion', even though there are a number of things missing that constitue this stage.
Good to see they are up to the same tricks....still. They sent me a frame stage payment early, I emailed them a photo of the guys working on the roof truss which was date stamped on the day they dated the claim....the importance of regular visits (if you can) and photos...documentation...photos.
They said to hold on to the claim until the frame was completed, I told them I'd already shredded the claim, and they can send a new one when the frame is actually completed.
My brother used these "tricks" on his recent build.
Re: JG King Homes33
Jul 15, 2008 10:21 pm
I thought I would resurect this topic for others who might be building with JG King at the moment. I am actually a very patient person, but I am very close to recanting on my earlier support for them as a builder. The quality of my construction had been reasonably good UNTIL they plastered my place. I have to say it is a very ordinary job. My previous house was an old 1930's place that I did major renovations on myself. After going to a few weekend workshops on plastering, I had a go at re-plastering my bathroom and kitchen myself (...and I am a 30 something yo female with NO building experience). My excitement for my new home is quickly wearing off each time I walk through and see the miriad of problems with the plastering. I reckon I did a better job myself in my previous home. Just about everything they have done can be fixed, but it is just not what you expect to see in a new home being built by professionals.
To add to the dissappointment, you would think that when you sign with them in October 2007, and the plans and pre-site work have already been completed, you would have a fair chance of getting your house finished on time. I am building possibly one of the smallest houses in their portfolio and still they have not a hope in hell of handing it over by the contract expiry this friday. With the work that remains and the all the items that require fixing, I am still weeks off taking possession of my new home.
To others building with JG King, I hope you don't get my plasterer, and don't book the removal van too early......
Re: JG King Homes34
Jul 17, 2008 12:40 am
Sorry to hear you are having problems with the build.
Your original post was in late April, so it looks like things went pear-shaped in the last 2 months or so ... Apart from plastering, were there any other major quality issues?
And how willing were they to fix the problems?
We signed our contract couple of weeks back. After reading your post I'm a bit worried.
Re: JG King Homes35
Jul 17, 2008 9:37 pm
Thanks for your reply. I was having a really bad 'house' day that day and needed to blow off steam. There are a number of things wrong, but they are all fixable. The main things are:
-plasterwork just generally poor quality (really bad on corners and cornices)
-the paint coverage is really poor and after 2 coats you can still see through to the plaster. The colour I picked was the same as the display so I expected alot more.
- they forgot to do a large retaining wall next to the garage, and they have have to rip down a new fence between me and the neighbour to fix it. Really angry about this one as I rang the supervisor after the brickies started on the wall to let him know the retainer wasn't in, and I was basically ignored.
- the mortar in the brickwork above the garage changes colour half way through the wall (....love to see how they are going to fix that one)
-The small wall adjacent to the front door is on a slight angle.
-the plaster work on a 'walk through' square archway is on an angle
- an important power point not were is should be.
......so on and so on......
I have demanded a new completion date and I have been told I will get a call tomorrow with a new date.....We will see !!!!!
I am still reasonable happy overall with the house, but the quality has taken a massive slide from the brickwork stage onwards. The thing that really gets to me is that I keep needing to point out what is wrong, when they are meant to be the building professionals.
I just want it all over with now so I can start to resume a life as I used to know it. I'm sure your construction will be ok, but you will need to keep an eagle eye on it, and be at the site as often as you can to be able to keep track of what is happening.
Re: JG King Homes36
Jul 18, 2008 9:39 am
Thanks for the update ... we're planing to visit the site everyday once they start work, so hopefully we will pick up any problems very quickly. We also plan to get an independent inspector to review the work regularly.
Hope they fix up your problems soon.
Re: JG King Homes37
Jul 19, 2008 3:17 am
Thanks for posting and let us be aware of your situation. I'm sadden to hear you have problems with your build, i hope J.G will do the right thing and fix the problems promptly and to the standards you expect from them.
After reading your thread, like Duminda I'm starting to have deep concerns about our future build with them. I hope we'll get better tradies then what you had. To be honest I am starting to regret not buying establish then build at the moment.
Wish you all the best, and hope your build won't have any further troubles so you and the kids can move in and resume your normal life. Keep us posted on any new development as I'm very keen to know how building with JG is like and to know what to look out for.
Re: JG King Homes38
Jul 22, 2008 9:29 pm
Had a very intersting letter today from JG King. It was on plain pink paper(not on letterhead), and very unprofessionally presented. It says in part:
Pursuant to Clause 15.1 of the Building Contract, we hereby claim a Notice of Delay due to inclement weather experienced during the following day(s),
DATE REASON SPECIFIC NOTES
2/7/2008 - 8/7/2008 PR - Rain-Previous Days Stormwater delay due to rain
It was very interesting to recieve this letter dated 21 July 2008, given that the contract completion date was 18 July 2008. The contract does allow for extensions due to inclement weather HOWEVER, the weather does need to be inclement in order to claim the extension..................
The BOM shows the Melbourne rainfall for the claimed period and previous days as:
25/6 - 0 rain
26/6 - 0 rain
27/6 - 0 rain
27/6 - 0 rain
28/6 - 0 rain
29/6 - 0 rain
30/6 - 0 rain
1/7 - 1mm rain
2/7 - 0.6 mm rain
3/7 - 1.4 mm rain
4/7 - 0.6 mm rain
5/7 - 0 rain
6/7 - 0 rain
7/7 - 0 rain
8/7 - 5 mm rain
With the exception of 8/7/08, does that seem like inclement weather? 1mm of rain would hardly penetrate the soil.
Very disappointed that they would waste their time with this nonsence instead of just finishing my house (and I intend to tell them as much)...
Watch this space.
Re: JG King Homes39
Jul 22, 2008 10:02 pm
What letter for J G King Homes?
You didnt get a letter from J G King Homes,
You got a letter from someone pretending to be them.
If ti is not on their letterhead, I would not be accepting it.
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