Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Dec 14, 2008 3:02 pm Just hoping someone could help me with any opions (good or bad) on using hebel in the construction of our new home.
This is our first home and we don't have any knowledge on whats good or whats not. The company we are considering building with assures us that hebel is a great product to use, but not sure if they are just saying this because it is easier for them to use. Any feedback would be greatly appriciated. Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 2Dec 14, 2008 4:21 pm technically there is nothing wrong with the product. I reckon it will be something we have to get use to in the future. the reason why they have recommended is because it it cheaper, and secondly you do not need steel lintels which are expensive to buy. Also it will be quicker o put up then bricks. Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 4Dec 14, 2008 5:33 pm listo999 Just hoping someone could help me with any opions (good or bad) on Hebel = aerated concrete Pros - low embodied energy ie less energy to manufacture. a green-friendly product - has some insulation value (reduced heating bills) - easy to cut and work with; light - cheaper than solid concrete, clay brick - quicker to erect Cons - must be rendered to waterproof it - I heard someone could theoretically break into your house by cutting through it with hand tools. I am not sure why you wouldn't just break a window first - potentially easier to chip but unlikely to occur in everyday use I heard that foam cladding is becoming a popular and cost-effective solution for creating rendered facades and even free-standing pillars. Obviously it is even less durable than Hebel. If I was going for a modern monolithic rendered look I would seriously consider Hebel because of its lower energy use, cost-effectiveness, easy of use, rapid construction and insulation value. Remember that in brick veneer constructions the external leaf is not load bearing anyway. Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 5Dec 14, 2008 6:15 pm dymonite69 - I heard someone could theoretically break into your house by cutting through it with hand tools. I am not sure why you wouldn't just break a window first I am yet to see such an incident. People always mention that but criminals know there are many easier ways to break into homes with your bare hands or even a screwdriver, which is much quicker and quieter than going through a hebal or foam panel. Most criminals are not that silly so they wouldn't even attempt trying to go through a wall without looking at doors, windows or roof tiles first. Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 6Dec 14, 2008 8:10 pm Thanks for the imput.
We are certainly leaning towards going with hebel on the ground floor and then using the polystyrene cladding on the first floor. Right from the start we would prefer to go with a full render on the house, but didn't think we could afford to do it with a full brick home. By the sound of it it could be possible with to the hebel / polystyrene cladding combination. Would there be much of a price difference between hebel / full render and brick / rendered facade? Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 7Dec 15, 2008 7:27 am listo999 Thanks for the imput. We are certainly leaning towards going with hebel on the ground floor and then using the polystyrene cladding on the first floor. Right from the start we would prefer to go with a full render on the house, but didn't think we could afford to do it with a full brick home. By the sound of it it could be possible with to the hebel / polystyrene cladding combination. Would there be much of a price difference between hebel / full render and brick / rendered facade? Don't know about brick. Hebel can be supplied and installed for about $75/sqm but then you have to render it which is about another $50/sqm. Polystyrene cladding can be supplied, installed and rendered for around $105/sqm. JB Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 8Dec 15, 2008 8:02 am are you sure thats right? It is looking to be more expensive then brick.
Lets say brick cost 60cents a brick and $1 to lay (on average) ince extra THat is $1.6 per brick. There are 50 bricks in a square meter? there price per meter is $80. Then you just need to allow for sand and cement etc. But still it will cost less the the price quoted above. I though hebel should be much cheaper Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 9Dec 15, 2008 8:14 am borg are you sure thats right? It is looking to be more expensive then brick. Lets say brick cost 60cents a brick and $1 to lay (on average) ince extra THat is $1.6 per brick. There are 50 bricks in a square meter? there price per meter is $80. Then you just need to allow for sand and cement etc. But still it will cost less the the price quoted above. I though hebel should be much cheaper Maybe you can get it cheaper elsewhere? I was quoted between 75 - 80 per sqm by 2 different companies. However we are not going with Hebel, we are having poly cladding all over, it is cheaper and gives better insulation. JB Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 10Dec 15, 2008 9:50 am borg are you sure thats right? It is looking to be more expensive then brick. Lets say brick cost 60cents a brick and $1 to lay (on average) ince extra THat is $1.6 per brick. There are 50 bricks in a square meter? there price per meter is $80. Then you just need to allow for sand and cement etc. But still it will cost less the the price quoted above. I though hebel should be much cheaper If you are leaving the masonry exposed then brick is cheapest. However, for a rendered look (which is essential with Hebel) then Hebel is cheaper. We did not want a rendered look but opted for Timbercrete as an alternative green product with similar qualities as Hebel but could be left exposed. Cost is similar to brick per sqm but blocks can be sort of made to look like Sandstone. Real sandstone is much more expensive per sqm www.timbercrete.com.au Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 11Dec 22, 2008 9:16 pm Listo just a couple of points we are looking at doing the same combination, If you have a look in the Owner builder section James Bond and i mentioned a couple of things.
I as quoted about $60 per sheet, a sheet is equal to 75 bricks. so working on the same price guide of 60c a brick $1.00 to lay is $120 for the bricks and $60 for Hebel then add the render on, unlike Poyfoam it doesn't need the fibreglass mesh, just a coat of render and paint.( Not sure how much renderers charge) If you want the rendered look then by bricking it, you will still need to add the rendering on. Secondly, bricks which weigh a tonne, need strip footings around the perimeter of the house, which means you need a conreter to dig them out and pour them, more expenses. If you are building on stumps then the hebel sits on a angle bracket attached to the frame, if on a slab then the hebel sits on a rebate like bricks do. Anyway, i am inno means convinced about any of the options. Just want a house that is strong / robust / looks good! and doesn't cost the earth. Good luck Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 12Dec 23, 2008 6:30 am hunts01 Not sure how much renderers charge) About $45 - $60 /sqm. JB reply 14Dec 27, 2008 7:37 pm I think PD now use Hebel products for their construction.
I was flicking through some of the old PD booklets, and saw that they use Hebel. Can anyone building with PD justify this? Or am I just misreading things? You may remember me as "pringles", on such websites as Homeone. Building Atlantique Mk2 with Carlisle. At completion stage. Regards Re: reply 15Jan 08, 2009 10:21 pm PringlesMk2 I think PD now use Hebel products for their construction. I was flicking through some of the old PD booklets, and saw that they use Hebel. Can anyone building with PD justify this? Or am I just misreading things? Latest Porter Davis Prestige new home booklets in displays have full Hebal homes starting at $4,086 extra above standard cost. I can scan and upload the page for viewing tomorrow at work. Tossing up if this option is the way to go or not - we have until early Feb to decide. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Re: Hebel concrete panels for external walls 16Jan 08, 2009 11:46 pm listo999 Just hoping someone could help me with any opions (good or bad) on using hebel in the construction of our new home. This is our first home and we don't have any knowledge on whats good or whats not. The company we are considering building with assures us that hebel is a great product to use, but not sure if they are just saying this because it is easier for them to use. Any feedback would be greatly appriciated. We built our house with hebel. We chose the builder because we preferred the product over brick. We also looked at other green options. Its a good product but the builder needs to make sure they don't damage it after rendering - its not as easy to fix as replacing a brick. Our upper story is made from cement/poly. I've never heard of break in through hebel ... and can't imagine why any self respecting thief wouldn't go for glass or blueboard first . If you use the search option you should come up with lots of threads on hebel. We had a fair bit of feedback from forum members when we first looked into the product. BTW which builder are you considering? Good luck. Since you are in the design stage then I would direct your questions, in writing of course, to your designer. Depending on the trust you have in the competence of your… 4 5627 Hello - we were hoping to apply laminate click lock panels to our concrete ceiling, but not too sure how to go about attaching the panels to the concrete. Any idea what… 0 1679 I was looking at different options for a fence for my build and Hebel PowerFence seemed like a good option (one of the criteria was a solid wall look). However, I don't… 0 5896 |