Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Jul 01, 2024 11:04 pm Hi All, I’m new to Aussie house building/buying and have been trying to get my head around. After numerous tries to buy a decent house I just decided to buy vacant land that will register in 18 months. It is a scary process for me as some are telling me that I can loose my 10% deposit if the land value goes south and banks will not want to finance building on an overpriced lot. I have run my own numbers and the last batch of lots that registered in the area in January 2024 were selling at $1238/sq.m in April this year. I have put a deposit for a lot that will title in 18 months and paid $1443/sq.m in June 2024. This looks like the developer has marked up the future lots by 16.6%, technically 11.1% growth in a year. My question to those who can help here are; - is this a realistic projection of land value growth (this lot is in Menangle Park in South West Sydney, Campbelltown LGA)? - Has anyone had a situation where the price after 18 months went south so bad? - what do banks base their initial valuation of land when it first titles? There are many houses starting to be constructed in the area and likely to have initial phases filled up by the time my phase titles. I am new as I said, please be kind. Regards Mgule Re: Buying unregistered land - future value 2Jul 02, 2024 12:01 pm Mgule Hi All, I’m new to Aussie house building/buying and have been trying to get my head around. After numerous tries to buy a decent house I just decided to buy vacant land that will register in 18 months. It is a scary process for me as some are telling me that I can loose my 10% deposit if the land value goes south and banks will not want to finance building on an overpriced lot. I have run my own numbers and the last batch of lots that registered in the area in January 2024 were selling at $1238/sq.m in April this year. I have put a deposit for a lot that will title in 18 months and paid $1443/sq.m in June 2024. This looks like the developer has marked up the future lots by 16.6%, technically 11.1% growth in a year. My question to those who can help here are; - is this a realistic projection of land value growth (this lot is in Menangle Park in South West Sydney, Campbelltown LGA)? - Has anyone had a situation where the price after 18 months went south so bad? - what do banks base their initial valuation of land when it first titles? There are many houses starting to be constructed in the area and likely to have initial phases filled up by the time my phase titles. I am new as I said, please be kind. Regards Mgule The problem with buying untitled land that’s 18 months out is a lot can happen in 18 months. Broadly speaking the land “should” appreciate. But by how much is anyone’s guess. The bigger risk you take is a developer having some form of a sunset clause, which is not uncommon. If you’re not familiar with how this would work in this situation this is how it goes – You pay a deposit on untitled land of say 10k. 18 months pass, your land isn’t titled. You push what’s happening etc. no response or excuses. Suddenly the developer tells you sorry, you can’t have it. Enter the dreaded sunset clause that put a time limit on your contract’s validity. And they give you your 10k back. Then goes on to sell that block of land to someone else for the current market price, Flabbergasted, given you’ve lined up a builder, chosen the house you want to build, paid a builder a deposit, sat patiently, organized finance etc. Now 18 months later, you are back to square one with time and emotions sunk into the project. 10k that is objectively worth less today than it was 18 months ago and all the local land you had on your eye previously is sold and you have to make a decision to either start again or pay the current price for land or existing home with an 18month increase premium. Housing now is up 20% and you cant afford a house anymore. Now this might not happen. But it has happened so many times that you need to be aware of it. You need your contract checked for a sunset clause. This is your first red flag. The reason developers do this is to get the ball rolling on development costs with your money, then repay you with the profit from land sold at a higher value after they invoke a sunset clause. You could lose your deposit of the developer goes bust too. You could also end up having a change in circumstance in 18 months and be liable to pay the contractual amount. Your finance clause won’t be active for the whole 18 months. Separately, building costs may go up beyond the amount you have budgeted for and then not be able to get finance for the house and your stuck holding land that the bank will lend on. Depending on your contract, your developer may have first preference on purchase, which means you may not be able to reap the benefit of the increase in value as often the develop contract will either stipulate a purchase at original contract value or at a loss to you. Either way, 18 months is extremely risky business. Ideally you purchase titled land only, or you buy land that its titling in a couple months from a developer that has a track record of releasing land as per their promises and don’t include sunset clauses in their sales contracts. Don't count your paper gains until you have the title in your hand. Re: Buying unregistered land - future value 3Jul 02, 2024 1:09 pm Thanks for the reply. I checked the sunset clauses and the laws in NSW were amended so that developers would need to get consent from purchasers and a judge has to tick that as well. Pretty much impossible to use the sunset clause to rip-off clients. Also developers cannot have access to deposit funds during development stage. That seems fair to mitigate risk. This developer has delivered 2 other projects without dramas. The reason developers insist on deposits is so they can go to banks to show viability of project and get loans to finance the project. If the project fails the bank and developer will not be able to access the deposit money anyway in NSW. My main issue was value of land, I guess the developers overpriced the land to cover their interest charges for loans they will get to develop the land. Re: Buying unregistered land - future value 4Jul 02, 2024 1:16 pm Mgule Thanks for the reply. I checked the sunset clauses and the laws in NSW were amended so that developers would need to get consent from purchasers and a judge has to tick that as well. Pretty much impossible to use the sunset clause to rip-off clients. Also developers cannot have access to deposit funds during development stage. That seems fair to mitigate risk. This developer has delivered 2 other projects without dramas. The reason developers insist on deposits is so they can go to banks to show viability of project and get loans to finance the project. If the project fails the bank and developer will not be able to access the deposit money anyway in NSW. 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