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Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Fibre Optics Installations 22Oct 24, 2008 11:10 am wakeboardandy here you go... Man, BigPond really do like ripping people off. I'm so very, very glad our estate is not a Telstra Velocity estate. Re: Fibre Optics Installations 23Oct 25, 2008 11:46 pm Quote: I wouldn't take much note of whirlpool when it comes to Telstra. They seem to enjoy telstra bashing there well thats because most of the whirlpool members are experienced with broadband providers and know that telstra are no good,, I think its relative for the price they charge as we all know they are rip off artists and if there wasnt any competition (something they are trying to elimintae with the fibre networks) they would charge even more. Unfortunately the area I am building in (brookwater) although not considered a velocity estate they do have telstra fibre and I am pretty sure they are are our only BB & voice option if there was copper I would rather go adsl2 for 1/3 the cost. Took me a while to find the costs of telstra fibre too and it aint cheap at least the speed has increased as telstra had it capped at 256kb for a while which is ridiculous but typical of telstra milking customers for every possible dollar whilst providing poor speeds & download limit. fibre is capable of 100mbps but telstra now only offer 20% of that Re: Fibre Optics Installations 24Oct 26, 2008 1:44 am piranha Quote: Took me a while to find the costs of telstra fibre too and it aint cheap at least the speed has increased as telstra had it capped at 256kb for a while which is ridiculous but typical of telstra milking customers for every possible dollar whilst providing poor speeds & download limit. fibre is capable of 100mbps but telstra now only offer 20% of that Telstra is the only company willing to invest in new infrastructure.. other company just leech off Telstra's networks and don't have to worry about any new investments. Just like Telstra used to cap the speed of ADSL at 1.5mbits, they are doing the same for fibre. This allows Telstra to do full tests and ensure they network can handle the load before increase the bandwidth. Unlike other carriers Telstra delivers the speeds it promises. Fibre will have increases in speed in the near future once more FTTH estates are established and full testing is complete. And I'm not sure how anyone can justify 20mbits as poor speeds.... Maybe you should check out the below site, it actually has factual articles and information about Telstra unlike whirlpool. http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/ Re: Fibre Optics Installations 25Oct 26, 2008 7:28 am Sorry but what BS
Firstly: Domain Name: nowwearetalking.com.au Last Modified: 29-Sep-2005 00:40:07 UTC Registrar ID: TPP Internet Registrar Name: TPP Internet Status: ok Registrant: Telstra Corporation Limited Registrant ID: ACN 051 775 556 Eligibility Type: Company Eligibility Name: Telstra Corporation Eligibility ID: ACN 051 775 556 No wonder that website likes telstra it is telstra!! and they cherry picks quotes and articles from studies that they commissioned hardly a unbiased balanced source of info (whirlpool is a lot more balanced and isn't run in self interest but rather a multitude of opinions). For an example a article from the above website. http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/news/ ... -years-ago written by "nowwearetalking editor" wow thats not biased at all and doesn't cherry pick anything. Where's the mention of there 850hz 3g upgrade? wheres the mention of there recent 300 million investment in ADSL2+ ? Give us a independant link run by someone not telstra. No other company wants to invest in infrastructure?, damn I thought all those ADLS2+ dslams, the HFC cable network were infrastructure I must be mistaken, I also thought the six companies bidding for the NBN would want to invest in infrastructure as well. Telstra it's self wouldn't have invested in ADSL2+ if it's competition hadn't done it first and reroaded it's wholesale market share from adsl1. Capping to allow full tests? OMG that is the most ridiculous statement there, how long do they have to test for a day a week? no for several years!!! give me a break, why haven't they done testing with their ADSL2+ then, they went straight for the full speed... They have no competition in the velocity estates and therefore no incentive to change. Again as I said before I really don't blame telstra for their practise they are taking advantage of the regulatory environment in which they work, I would do the same. They have such a major advantage in competition as most people never leave them or look at the competition because it's different from what they have always done. So they charge the maximum they possibly can to these people without out scarring them into looking at other providers (yes they do provide a marginally better service). The amount of people I know joined up with bigpond because it's what they have and didn't even look else where is amazing, most find out a month or two later with excess fees how bad a deal they signed up to, and then look for alternative providers (most are shocked at the difference in prices). They trust Telstra and then they get themselves burned. but please remember this one simple fact about Telstra. Telstra is the most profitable major telecommunications company in the world. Now honestly answer this question do think that if Telstra was allowed to get rid of their wholesale network (not sell wholesale to other ISP's) that it would be a good thing for the general Australian public? Re: Fibre Optics Installations 26Oct 26, 2008 9:32 am hehehe. You people are so smart - reading this thread has made my head spin!! Think I should stick to picking tiles and choosing colours...
And sorry Dreamhome....I am of no help to you what-so-ever! Re: Fibre Optics Installations 27Oct 26, 2008 11:17 am ausfatcat Now honestly answer this question do think that if Telstra was allowed to get rid of their wholesale network (not sell wholesale to other ISP's) that it would be a good thing for the general Australian public? Telstra doesn't want to stop wholesale to other ISP's as long as they can put their own price on it. Which is fair enough, they are a business, if the other companies don't want to pay the price to access the network then they need to build their own networks. Telstra only held off on ADSL2 because they would have been forced to wholesale it at prices that were not reasonable. This was the regulators faults not Telstra. If there was no red tape Telstra would have had ADSL2 a long time ago. As far as the NBN goes.. the 6 terria companies are just wasting time. There is no way they are capable of building that network.... and I think everyone knows that!!! Oh and that website doesn't hide the fact it is owned by Telstra. You just have to look at the taskbar at the top or scroll to the bottom... All I said was if you want factual information about Telstra and regulation look at that website, not comments by 13 year old teenagers that want cheap internet. Anyway this argument is not going anywhere. You would rather support overseas companies that don't want to invest in regional areas.. and I would rather support a Australian company that treats the bush the same as the city... I guess it is because I grew up in the country and we didn't have a choice of carrier due to these overseas companies only putting their money in the quick fix areas... Re: Fibre Optics Installations 28Oct 26, 2008 11:51 am wakeboardandy Telstra only held off on ADSL2 because they would have been forced to wholesale it at prices that were not reasonable. This was the regulators faults not Telstra. If there was no red tape Telstra would have had ADSL2 a long time ago. Delayed releasing in it after it was installed in areas that didn't have competitors Dslams in place already yes, but they were still several years behind the competitors in installing them into any market. wakeboardandy Telstra doesn't want to stop wholesale to other ISP's as long as they can put their own price on it. Which is fair enough, they are a business, Which is why they will never get to place there own price on the wholesale price. Because in theory if they had that ability (and without a doubt they would do it, I know I would) the could make the wholesale price anything they wanted and run all the competition out of business very quickly, and then literally charge anything they want to the public and we all would pay. There is a reason why successive governments haven't changed this. With the NBN I wasn't talking about terria I counted them as one company, there are several other companies bidding for it as well, such as axia, acacia ect ect. wakeboardandy You would rather support overseas companies that don't want to invest in regional areas No I want to support Australian companies and do when I can and pay extra for as well. But just because a company is australian (telstra is 30% oversea's owned) doesn't mean you bend over and let them give it to you. when again THEY ARE THE MOST PROFITABLE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY IN THE WORLD. wakeboardandy Australian company that treats the bush the same as the city Clearly you have a selective memory optus is about to invest 300 odd million into expanding regional services. And telstra has to get a subsidy from the government to just about do anything in the bush as well so don't tell me Telstra loves the bush so much. Look at there NBN proposal rollout for Telstra first 2-3 years metro city only, 5-8 years then country. Terria COUNTRY first. Yep Telstra loves the bush the same as the metro, infact there first NBN proposal didn't include a rollout to the country at all!!! www.tellthetruthtelstra.com.au is the non-telstra equivalent to nowwearetalking.com.au but didn't mention it before as it is biased (but factual) and cherry picks as well. Do you think if there is a piece of information or fact that makes Telstra look bad they would post it on nowwearetalking.com.au? No they wouldn't that makes it biased and not the whole story, you will get a more complete picture at whirlpool.net.au than either of the above websites. Personally I would like to see either of the following happen with the NBN FTTH keeping the copper network in place won by anyone but telstra to allow two competing networks (very unlikely to happen and cost prohibitive). or a structurally seperated Telstra win the NBN. I wont hold my breath for either to happen with someone like Conroy (very ignorant fellow) in charge. Re: Fibre Optics Installations 29Oct 26, 2008 11:58 am ausfatcat [THEY ARE THE MOST PROFITABLE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY IN THE WORLD. Can you please provide links to your information. As I'm note sure where you got this info from. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008 ... rofit.html Re: Fibre Optics Installations 30Oct 26, 2008 12:22 pm Telstra is actually more profitable than Telecom New Zealand
Changed for acurancy didn't want to quote and give links to articles wanted pure figures instead. EBITD (ie profit margins) from google finance for some telco's Telstra 41% (41 cents in the dollar) Telecom NZ 33% Singtel 30% Verizon (big american) 33% Comcast (big american) 38% AT&T (anther big american) 35% BT (brits version of telstra) 25% FTE (france version of telstra) 35% See a patern here ?I can keep going if you want? Telstra is the only one in the 40's and this is a 5 year low for them as well........ Please don't get me started on telecom NZ and telstra clear thats anther big post. DIY, Home Maintenance & Repair All my inside walls are Fibre Cement & House has Steel frames... Tricky when one wants to hang pictures or do Wainscoating Paneling up the hallway. Those little nail… 0 3151 Approvals are covered in the cost we are paying to the pool company. The only thing stated in our home build contract for the additional cost is engineering support. … 3 7119 |